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I disagree. There are two main economic reasons to own stock: to earn dividend, or to sell the stock later at a higher price. In Amazon's case, they make almost
by Camillo 14y ago
I disagree. There are two main economic reasons to own stock: to earn dividend, or to sell the stock later at a higher price. In Amazon's case, they make almost no profits, so only the second reason applies. Then, what you're really predicting is not how strong Amazon's position is going to be in the future, but how strong other investors are going to think it is: a subtle but important difference.
But what is the endgame? Amazon's business can still grow a lot, but it cannot grow forever. At some point, the growth will be too slow for the crowd that wants to flip stocks fast. The stock is going to end up in the hands of people who want to hold it long-term: the question is whether they will hold it willingly or not. To make it worth it to them, Amazon will have to crank up its profit margin, taking advantage of the near-monopoly position it will have reached by previously undercutting all competition. If it does not, then there will be no reason to hold the stock, and the people stuck with it are going to try to sell lower and lower to recoup part of their investment.
In other words, as far as I can see, there are two possible long-term plans for Amazon from the investor's point of view:
A) "cornering the market" on online sales, and then jacking up margins to squeeze gold out of it;
B) a multi-level marketing game which inevitably ends with the bubble bursting and less-savvy people getting hurt.
I think that rather than the price of Amazon's stock, it would be far more interesting to know who is holding it. If it's savvy investors, we're either in A or in the growth part of B. When retail investors, pension funds and the like start growing, it means we're in B, and nearing the burst phase.
- rednukleus 14y agoWhat you are missing is that the reason why Amazon aren't "making a profit" is because they are spending all their revenues on infrastructure. While they are still rapidly growing on an international scale, with very low margins they can hide all their profits in expenses. The long game is not to jack up prices, profits will come as soon as they slow down growth. Which will not be for a while.
- YZF 14y agoI'm not an investor in Amazon and I don't follow the company but as a general rule what those companies will disclose is a bit of BS mixed with PR in the right amount so they're not obviously breaking any laws. At the end of the day what you can trust is the numbers and the rest you need to guess. This "spending on infrastrcuture", "one time costs", is the standard excuse (e.g. see Intel). As Amazon grows they will need more infrastructure and they will need to start replacing some of their existing infrastructure. I agree that during accelerated growth the profit will lag these expenses but exactly by how much remains to be seen once their growth stabilizes.