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> What's a content producer to do? Make it easier to get the content legitimately than, say, downloading it via torrent. That's the problem with complex DRM s

> What's a content producer to do? Make it easier to get the content legitimately than, say, downloading it via torrent. That's the problem with complex DRM schemes. In their effort to make the product more difficult to pirate, they also make it difficult for the legitimate user to consume it.

alexqgb 14y ago
I'm sorry, but what? You think iTunes is "too hard" to use? You have a problem figuring our Netflix? Is Amazon more than your tiny brain can take? This isn't 2002. Online commerce isn't some repellent hellscape of overpriced goods and failed transactions. Aside from outliers like HBO and feature films in the window between theatrical and home release, there's very little that isn't wildly obscure that can't be bought easily, legitimately, and for economically reasonable prices. At this point, if you're still having "trouble" paying, it's because you don't have money, not because you can't spend money you have.
- hhjj 14y ago
  too hard/too inconvenient
  - alexqgb 14y ago
    Um, we're talking about one click shopping. ONE. CLICK. And that's still too much? It is? Right, you've just crossed into the asshole zone. And by the way, people like you are the reason that stores have those anti-theft tag readers by their front doors. And @darklajid: who says I'm here to change your mind? Perhaps it's really about pointing out how people who think like this are just being monumental pricks. Whether or not you're comfortable with that is up to you. But if you think you can be a prick and not get called on it, well, guess again. One more thing: not paying is stealing. Copy all you want, that's not theft (making isn't taking, etc.) But just understand that the second you make a copy, you own the artist money. And if you decide to keep that money, you're holding onto something that is no longer yours. Which, as we all know, is explicitly wrong. It's like bouncing a check. Sure, the money to back it will be in your account (i.e. your possession) for a few days after, but that doesn't mean it's your money, in that spending it on something else will land you in legal trouble if doing so causes the check to bounce. It's different in that the artist doesn't know you stole from them by keeping money to which you're not entitled, so it's not such a direct violation of trust. But it's still wrong. And since the artist has no moral obligation to make a transaction seamless, you can't put yourself back in the right by saying "well, I found that paying was harder than breathing, so that means the artists forfeits completely." Sorry, but that's not how the law or ethics work. And I think you know it.
    - krickle 14y ago
      > not paying is stealing > that's not how the law works You are a hypocrite, you're just frothing at the mouth claiming anything you'd like even if it's self-contradictory. Coupled with the ad hominem attacks, we all know it is you that is the "monumental prick".
      - alexqgb 14y ago
        So let me get this straight, you say you've got a problem with ad hominem attacks, but that doesn't stop you from personally attacking others. And when you do, the term of abuse you employ is...(wait for it)...hypocrite. Unbelievable. Just out of curiosity, do even know what the words you're using mean? Specifically can you define "hypocrite" and use it properly in a sentence?
        krickle 14y ago
        Yes, well done. But I've a policy against arguing with trolls so I can't be baited.
- darklajid 14y ago
  iTunes is unusable, a mess, an abomination - and even if you do like it for some reasons I cannot even begin to imagine, it's a bad 'solution' for people that don't own a Mac, don't use an i(Pad|Pod|Phone). "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet." I do buy a _lot_ at Amazon. Heck, the one single credit card I have (for .. Amazon, mostly) is Amazon branded. I'd agree with the GP: It's still not easy enough. Your emotional reply won't change my opinion and probably neither his. And, please read your post again, notice the tone and the couple of direct attacks against the GP's person. Frankly, those are unnecessary to make any kind of point.
- epidemian 14y ago
  Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry if i've hit a nerve with what i said, but, yes, i do think that purchasing things legally is still, in a lot of cases, more difficult than, say, going to The Pirate Bay and downloading a torrent. This comic, for example, illustrates that quite well and it's not from 2002: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones > You think iTunes is "too hard" to use? On Linux, yes, it's quite hard (compared to native Linux media players). > You have a problem figuring our Netflix? It wasn't too long ago that Netflix came to Argentina. If it'd had more content then i would consider using it, but frankly, with the current little content they have, i see no much of a use for it. > Is Amazon more than your tiny brain can take? Actually, Amazon is quite good for buying things like tablets or laptops. They end up costing like double or 50% more than what they cost on the US, but that's usually still quite less than what they cost buying them here. But for "smaller" things, like e-books i wouldn't consider using Amazon, especially if i lose the freedom to copy or share that book thanks to some stupid DRM polices. > At this point, if you're still having "trouble" paying, it's because you don't have money, not because you can't spend money you have. Well, that's also quite true. Legitimate movies or videogames for some reason cost quite a lot here. I remember that not long ago, before Blockbuster Argentina closed, an original PS3 or XBox game was about AR$ 500 (which was like $125 at that time); that's a substantial fraction of the monthly salary for most people (a normal middle-class salary being around 4000 and 8000 AR$). No wonder why Blockbuster broke here; people can but those same games for AR$ 10 on a pirate stand, and they are even easier to install :S I'll probably won't convince you, but at least i'd like you to consider that the things that are easy for you are not easy for everyone else, and not necessarily because they are stupid or have "tiny brains". In case of replying, i'd appreciate you dropping those unneeded personal attacks.
- jevinskie 14y ago
  Ever try to transfer your legally purchased music from an iPod to a iTunes? Yes it is too hard to use - impossible in this case.

alexqgb 14y ago

I'm sorry, but what? You think iTunes is "too hard" to use? You have a problem figuring our Netflix? Is Amazon more than your tiny brain can take? This isn't 2002. Online commerce isn't some repellent hellscape of overpriced goods and failed transactions. Aside from outliers like HBO and feature films in the window between theatrical and home release, there's very little that isn't wildly obscure that can't be bought easily, legitimately, and for economically reasonable prices. At this point, if you're still having "trouble" paying, it's because you don't have money, not because you can't spend money you have.

hhjj 14y ago
too hard/too inconvenient
- alexqgb 14y ago
  Um, we're talking about one click shopping. ONE. CLICK. And that's still too much? It is? Right, you've just crossed into the asshole zone. And by the way, people like you are the reason that stores have those anti-theft tag readers by their front doors. And @darklajid: who says I'm here to change your mind? Perhaps it's really about pointing out how people who think like this are just being monumental pricks. Whether or not you're comfortable with that is up to you. But if you think you can be a prick and not get called on it, well, guess again. One more thing: not paying is stealing. Copy all you want, that's not theft (making isn't taking, etc.) But just understand that the second you make a copy, you own the artist money. And if you decide to keep that money, you're holding onto something that is no longer yours. Which, as we all know, is explicitly wrong. It's like bouncing a check. Sure, the money to back it will be in your account (i.e. your possession) for a few days after, but that doesn't mean it's your money, in that spending it on something else will land you in legal trouble if doing so causes the check to bounce. It's different in that the artist doesn't know you stole from them by keeping money to which you're not entitled, so it's not such a direct violation of trust. But it's still wrong. And since the artist has no moral obligation to make a transaction seamless, you can't put yourself back in the right by saying "well, I found that paying was harder than breathing, so that means the artists forfeits completely." Sorry, but that's not how the law or ethics work. And I think you know it.
  - krickle 14y ago
    > not paying is stealing > that's not how the law works You are a hypocrite, you're just frothing at the mouth claiming anything you'd like even if it's self-contradictory. Coupled with the ad hominem attacks, we all know it is you that is the "monumental prick".
    - alexqgb 14y ago
      So let me get this straight, you say you've got a problem with ad hominem attacks, but that doesn't stop you from personally attacking others. And when you do, the term of abuse you employ is...(wait for it)...hypocrite. Unbelievable. Just out of curiosity, do even know what the words you're using mean? Specifically can you define "hypocrite" and use it properly in a sentence?
      - krickle 14y ago
        Yes, well done. But I've a policy against arguing with trolls so I can't be baited.
darklajid 14y ago
iTunes is unusable, a mess, an abomination - and even if you do like it for some reasons I cannot even begin to imagine, it's a bad 'solution' for people that don't own a Mac, don't use an i(Pad|Pod|Phone). "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet." I do buy a _lot_ at Amazon. Heck, the one single credit card I have (for .. Amazon, mostly) is Amazon branded. I'd agree with the GP: It's still not easy enough. Your emotional reply won't change my opinion and probably neither his. And, please read your post again, notice the tone and the couple of direct attacks against the GP's person. Frankly, those are unnecessary to make any kind of point.
epidemian 14y ago
Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry if i've hit a nerve with what i said, but, yes, i do think that purchasing things legally is still, in a lot of cases, more difficult than, say, going to The Pirate Bay and downloading a torrent. This comic, for example, illustrates that quite well and it's not from 2002: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones > You think iTunes is "too hard" to use? On Linux, yes, it's quite hard (compared to native Linux media players). > You have a problem figuring our Netflix? It wasn't too long ago that Netflix came to Argentina. If it'd had more content then i would consider using it, but frankly, with the current little content they have, i see no much of a use for it. > Is Amazon more than your tiny brain can take? Actually, Amazon is quite good for buying things like tablets or laptops. They end up costing like double or 50% more than what they cost on the US, but that's usually still quite less than what they cost buying them here. But for "smaller" things, like e-books i wouldn't consider using Amazon, especially if i lose the freedom to copy or share that book thanks to some stupid DRM polices. > At this point, if you're still having "trouble" paying, it's because you don't have money, not because you can't spend money you have. Well, that's also quite true. Legitimate movies or videogames for some reason cost quite a lot here. I remember that not long ago, before Blockbuster Argentina closed, an original PS3 or XBox game was about AR$ 500 (which was like $125 at that time); that's a substantial fraction of the monthly salary for most people (a normal middle-class salary being around 4000 and 8000 AR$). No wonder why Blockbuster broke here; people can but those same games for AR$ 10 on a pirate stand, and they are even easier to install :S I'll probably won't convince you, but at least i'd like you to consider that the things that are easy for you are not easy for everyone else, and not necessarily because they are stupid or have "tiny brains". In case of replying, i'd appreciate you dropping those unneeded personal attacks.
jevinskie 14y ago
Ever try to transfer your legally purchased music from an iPod to a iTunes? Yes it is too hard to use - impossible in this case.