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And just wait until Sublime 3 is ready. http://www.sublimetext.com/3 http://www.sublimetext.com/3

by speg 14y ago

ChikkaChiChi 14y ago
Which negates all plugins until they are updated. I've been a pico/pine user for almost 20 years and on OSX ST2 has been my editor of choice for the past couple. I decided just this past week to force myself into getting to know vim better because I hear how powerful it is. Once you get a decent .vimrc going, it can be configured to be as good/better than ST2. Its free. Its cross platform. Its easily usable over SSH. So at least for me, vim > st2/st3.
- ChikkaChiChi 14y ago
  Sorry, pico/nano.
- kfinley 14y ago
  If you are just staring with VIM, I recommend taking a look at spf13-vim (https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim)
  - crazydiamond 14y ago
    I have been using vi/vim since 1989, and I found spf13 to be a totally frustrating experience. Twice I tried it out and quit. It messes with settings of neocomplcache (issues reported and verified with authors), it installs plugins like autocomplete (??) which can also be frustrating. I had hunt through the source of some 20 or more plugins to figure out the offending ones and remove them. However, that's just my experience. I'd suggest he try a clean vim and add plugins as he needs them. There are plenty of links suggesting great plugins for developers. "sjl" (steve losh) has an article which was linked here (Coming Home to Vim) that mentions some good plugins.
    - kfinley 14y ago
      The reason that I suggest spf13, is because it shows what's possible. I spent nearly a year building up a set of plugins and settings only to discover that 95% of what I had "discovered" was included. I'm sure it has it's problems, but you can easily remove all of the included bundles. I think at the very least it provides a well structured foundation to built upon.
      - ChikkaChiChi 14y ago
        Thanks for the tips! I've been studying other's .vimrc files in an effort to understand what all vim vanilla is capable of. Once I get that dialed in, I'll look into plugins for my local box; I just want to make sure that I can use it effectively just by firing up any new VM. Also, I'm being sacrilegious and setting myself up for primarily --INSERT-- mode, since its the most like a GUI text editor. Its making the barrier of entry slightly more endurable!
        crazydiamond 14y ago
        Sooner or later someone is going to tell you to put this in your .vimrc: inoremap <Up> <NOP> inoremap <Down> <NOP> inoremap <Left> <NOP> inoremap <Right> <NOP> noremap <Up> <NOP> noremap <Down> <NOP> noremap <Left> <NOP> noremap <Right> <NOP> This will get you to stop using the arrow keys for moving around, use either hjkl, or faster combinations such as "f" "t". Hope you get out of insert mode soon!
- swah 14y ago
  [rewrite] Sadly, I stil can't be near as fast in making changes across several files as I'm in ST/Emacs... And when I finish installing all the plugins, I can't claim that my vim works everywhere.

And just wait until Sublime 3 is ready. http://www.sublimetext.com/3 http://www.sublimetext.com/3

by speg 14y ago

And just wait until Sublime 3 is ready. http://www.sublimetext.com/3 http://www.sublimetext.com/3

Which negates all plugins until they are updated. I've been a pico/pine user for almost 20 years and on OSX ST2 has been my editor of choice for the past couple. I decided just this past week to force myself into getting to know vim better because I hear how powerful it is. Once you get a decent .vimrc going, it can be configured to be as good/better than ST2. Its free. Its cross platform. Its easily usable over SSH. So at least for me, vim > st2/st3.

ChikkaChiChi 14y ago
Sorry, pico/nano.
kfinley 14y ago
If you are just staring with VIM, I recommend taking a look at spf13-vim (https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim)
- crazydiamond 14y ago
  I have been using vi/vim since 1989, and I found spf13 to be a totally frustrating experience. Twice I tried it out and quit. It messes with settings of neocomplcache (issues reported and verified with authors), it installs plugins like autocomplete (??) which can also be frustrating. I had hunt through the source of some 20 or more plugins to figure out the offending ones and remove them. However, that's just my experience. I'd suggest he try a clean vim and add plugins as he needs them. There are plenty of links suggesting great plugins for developers. "sjl" (steve losh) has an article which was linked here (Coming Home to Vim) that mentions some good plugins.
  - kfinley 14y ago
    The reason that I suggest spf13, is because it shows what's possible. I spent nearly a year building up a set of plugins and settings only to discover that 95% of what I had "discovered" was included. I'm sure it has it's problems, but you can easily remove all of the included bundles. I think at the very least it provides a well structured foundation to built upon.
    - ChikkaChiChi 14y ago
      Thanks for the tips! I've been studying other's .vimrc files in an effort to understand what all vim vanilla is capable of. Once I get that dialed in, I'll look into plugins for my local box; I just want to make sure that I can use it effectively just by firing up any new VM. Also, I'm being sacrilegious and setting myself up for primarily --INSERT-- mode, since its the most like a GUI text editor. Its making the barrier of entry slightly more endurable!
      - crazydiamond 14y ago
        Sooner or later someone is going to tell you to put this in your .vimrc: inoremap <Up> <NOP> inoremap <Down> <NOP> inoremap <Left> <NOP> inoremap <Right> <NOP> noremap <Up> <NOP> noremap <Down> <NOP> noremap <Left> <NOP> noremap <Right> <NOP> This will get you to stop using the arrow keys for moving around, use either hjkl, or faster combinations such as "f" "t". Hope you get out of insert mode soon!
swah 14y ago
[rewrite] Sadly, I stil can't be near as fast in making changes across several files as I'm in ST/Emacs... And when I finish installing all the plugins, I can't claim that my vim works everywhere.