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Story about people lying is exclusively based on interviewing a few people and trusting that they are telling the truth about people lying. I'm sure it happens

Story about people lying is exclusively based on interviewing a few people and trusting that they are telling the truth about people lying. I'm sure it happens, I'm sure it's terrible, but I'm sure interviewing people isn't a useful means of doing anything about it. The whole premise is that people lie and are incentivized to do so, but somehow this is magically not true of the people telling you about the lies?

danso 14y ago
You must have missed the part about hundreds of drug cases being thrown out because of such lies. Here it is from the OP > The New York City Police Department is not exempt from this critique. In 2011, hundreds of drug cases were dismissed after several police officers were accused of mishandling evidence. That year, Justice Gustin L. Reichbach of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn condemned a widespread culture of lying and corruption in the department’s drug enforcement units. “I thought I was not naïve,” he said when announcing a guilty verdict involving a police detective who had planted crack cocaine on a pair of suspects. “But even this court was shocked, not only by the seeming pervasive scope of misconduct but even more distressingly by the seeming casualness by which such conduct is employed.”
- pkteison 14y ago
  You actually think this is a good article? Most of that case was also just testimony, this time people saying people are lying. The article backs up its case with: 1) Article written by a former police commissioner. 2) Quote about one actual case that apparently had some videotape proving a lie. 3) Bronx district attorney decides that the means to deal with lying is to interview the cops who are supposed to be lying about whether they are lying or not. 4) Back to former police commissioner again. 5) Passing reference to 'numerous scandals' 6) Interviews with 'numerous officers' by Urban Justice Center's Police Reform Organizing Project The former police commissioner writing an article, the supreme court justice, the police being interviewed about their lying, the folks investigating the 'numerous scandals', and the Urban Justice Center's Police Reform Organizing Project -all- have their own agendas, but everything they say is blindly taken as fact in the same article that claims humans lie every day. If you want to mistrust cops because their funding is tied to arrests, you should probably mistrust the urban justice police reform project because their very name is tied to proving the cops are wrong. Why is one side automatically trustworthy? Solely because they support the premise? I feel like this could be an interesting topic, but approaching it from a he-said/she-said interviewing standpoint is laughable, it should be obvious that interviewing people about lying is downright counterproductive.
  - danso 14y ago
    Ah yes, you're right. Anytime someone accuses cops of lying, those cops usually go straight to jail, and judges rip them a new one. That is most definitely how the system is stacked up, especially in New York. And a few years ago, when an officer secretly taped his bosses deliberately fudging statistics, that was just another case of biased recording devices...chronic issue, for sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft I wonder why the author of that piece couldn't devote 30,000 exhaustive words for the article. Another conspiracy of course.

danso 14y ago

You must have missed the part about hundreds of drug cases being thrown out because of such lies. Here it is from the OP > The New York City Police Department is not exempt from this critique. In 2011, hundreds of drug cases were dismissed after several police officers were accused of mishandling evidence. That year, Justice Gustin L. Reichbach of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn condemned a widespread culture of lying and corruption in the department’s drug enforcement units. “I thought I was not naïve,” he said when announcing a guilty verdict involving a police detective who had planted crack cocaine on a pair of suspects. “But even this court was shocked, not only by the seeming pervasive scope of misconduct but even more distressingly by the seeming casualness by which such conduct is employed.”

pkteison 14y ago
You actually think this is a good article? Most of that case was also just testimony, this time people saying people are lying. The article backs up its case with: 1) Article written by a former police commissioner. 2) Quote about one actual case that apparently had some videotape proving a lie. 3) Bronx district attorney decides that the means to deal with lying is to interview the cops who are supposed to be lying about whether they are lying or not. 4) Back to former police commissioner again. 5) Passing reference to 'numerous scandals' 6) Interviews with 'numerous officers' by Urban Justice Center's Police Reform Organizing Project The former police commissioner writing an article, the supreme court justice, the police being interviewed about their lying, the folks investigating the 'numerous scandals', and the Urban Justice Center's Police Reform Organizing Project -all- have their own agendas, but everything they say is blindly taken as fact in the same article that claims humans lie every day. If you want to mistrust cops because their funding is tied to arrests, you should probably mistrust the urban justice police reform project because their very name is tied to proving the cops are wrong. Why is one side automatically trustworthy? Solely because they support the premise? I feel like this could be an interesting topic, but approaching it from a he-said/she-said interviewing standpoint is laughable, it should be obvious that interviewing people about lying is downright counterproductive.
- danso 14y ago
  Ah yes, you're right. Anytime someone accuses cops of lying, those cops usually go straight to jail, and judges rip them a new one. That is most definitely how the system is stacked up, especially in New York. And a few years ago, when an officer secretly taped his bosses deliberately fudging statistics, that was just another case of biased recording devices...chronic issue, for sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft I wonder why the author of that piece couldn't devote 30,000 exhaustive words for the article. Another conspiracy of course.