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This reminds me of the U.S. News and World Report rankings. They were taken seriously for years before people realized that they were seriously skewed and biase

This reminds me of the U.S. News and World Report rankings. They were taken seriously for years before people realized that they were seriously skewed and biased against some larger state universities. I've been to Sweden and stayed with a family there and got the impression that they are mostly an intelligent and compassionate people that tend to think alike. However the drive that set the U.S. apart (back then at least) was for innovation, business, and capitalism, while the Scandinavian/Nordics were making furniture and high quality items without really caring about making a lot of money from mass production, so their GDP was much lower. To say now that they are well-governed because the U.S. is starting to suck economically based on biased stats? Worthless info, imo.

jlarsson 14y ago
Aren't Swedish companies like Ericsson, Volvo, Scania, Saab, etc into innovation and mass production? I would say that for example Spotify (and many other Nordic companies) are quite innovative as well.
- purplelobster 14y ago
  For its small size, Sweden is an outlier in terms of successful big companies, however most of those were formed a long time ago. H&M: 1947, Ericsson: 1876, Volvo: 1927, Ikea: 1943, ABB (formerly ACEA): 1883, AstraZeneca (formerly Astra AB): 1913, SAAB: 1937, Electrolux: 1919, etc These have been the backbone of Swedish innovation for a long time, but we can't count on them anymore. We need more Google's and Apple's. There's Spotify, Digital Illusions (now EA), Skype (sort of), but there are no big successes anymore.
  - jlarsson 14y ago
    I agree, and a problem is that many of the promising companies are sold (for example Dice, Skype and TAT) to large, usually foreign, corporations before they get the chance to grow.
    - purplelobster 14y ago
      Right, and not only that, a large number of companies move their headquarters elsewhere, such as Ikea to the Netherlands, Spotify to London etc. If I ever start my own company, I'll make sure never to be that greedy. I see the welfare state as an investment in people and businesses. Investment relies on getting paid by a few outliers. What is essentially happening is that when a company becomes successful it just says "well thanks for all the support and opportunity, but now that we're successful we don't really want to pay you back, so we're just going to go somewhere else, problem?".
  - mongol 14y ago
    H&M as a huge, multinational success-story is not that old. It was listed in 1974, and the first store outside of Scandinavia opened in 1976. It is older than Apple, but I say it is a different generation than the other companies in your list.

jlarsson 14y ago

Aren't Swedish companies like Ericsson, Volvo, Scania, Saab, etc into innovation and mass production? I would say that for example Spotify (and many other Nordic companies) are quite innovative as well.

purplelobster 14y ago
For its small size, Sweden is an outlier in terms of successful big companies, however most of those were formed a long time ago. H&M: 1947, Ericsson: 1876, Volvo: 1927, Ikea: 1943, ABB (formerly ACEA): 1883, AstraZeneca (formerly Astra AB): 1913, SAAB: 1937, Electrolux: 1919, etc These have been the backbone of Swedish innovation for a long time, but we can't count on them anymore. We need more Google's and Apple's. There's Spotify, Digital Illusions (now EA), Skype (sort of), but there are no big successes anymore.
- jlarsson 14y ago
  I agree, and a problem is that many of the promising companies are sold (for example Dice, Skype and TAT) to large, usually foreign, corporations before they get the chance to grow.
  - purplelobster 14y ago
    Right, and not only that, a large number of companies move their headquarters elsewhere, such as Ikea to the Netherlands, Spotify to London etc. If I ever start my own company, I'll make sure never to be that greedy. I see the welfare state as an investment in people and businesses. Investment relies on getting paid by a few outliers. What is essentially happening is that when a company becomes successful it just says "well thanks for all the support and opportunity, but now that we're successful we don't really want to pay you back, so we're just going to go somewhere else, problem?".
- mongol 14y ago
  H&M as a huge, multinational success-story is not that old. It was listed in 1974, and the first store outside of Scandinavia opened in 1976. It is older than Apple, but I say it is a different generation than the other companies in your list.