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Wow... why did this guy think it was a good idea to have children if he didn't want children? "Hi, I need a script to kill fun. I hate when children are having

Wow... why did this guy think it was a good idea to have children if he didn't want children? "Hi, I need a script to kill fun. I hate when children are having fun."

dasil003 14y ago
To be fair, no one has the first clue what they're getting into when they have kids.
- corin_ 14y ago
  And to be more fair, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that "wanting his kids to yell at the computer less" means "doesn't want those kids".
  - simplexion 14y ago
    He doesn't want his kids to yell less, he wants them to not yell. I hear someone say they want their kids to be quiet more and I hear, "I want my children to be adults."
    - pestaa 14y ago
      Instead I hear "I want my children to play more quietly so they may become better adults."
      - neumann_alfred 14y ago
        How do repressed children make for "better adults"?
        fastball 14y ago
        That's not repression, it's polite behaviour. I'm fairly certain that every mother ever has told her children to stop yelling in the house at least once. If they want to yell while playing games, then they can play games outside. From the single bit of data I have, your idea of repression seems to be anything less than complete anarchy... do you have children?
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        If they want to yell while playing games, then they can play games outside. Not computer games they can't. And not in all seasons/kinds of weather, either. I'm fairly certain that every mother ever has told her children to stop yelling in the house at least once. And I'm fairly certain every parent (mother? what?) also sometimes allowed it. You know, politeness is kind of about a sentient counterpart, rather a fixed sound threshold in a panopticon. From the single bit of data I have, your idea of repression seems to be anything less than complete anarchy How so? If I think it's repressing if a child is under no circumstance allowed to yell out in joy or fright while playing? What does this have to do with anarchy? That's not anarchy, that's life.
        kyro 14y ago
        Stop being so dramatic. No one in this comment thread has expressed an opinion anywhere near one of being opposed to allowing kids to yell out of joy or fright. Let me ask you: would you mind sitting next to a group of kids at the movie theater chatting away and carrying a running commentary throughout the film all out of sheer excitement? I suspect you would; I know I would. Why? Because it's disrespectful. Telling a kid to quiet down while playing a PC game is usually done simply to teach them to respect the presence of others around them. Sure, there are controlling parents out there, and in those cases, you may call it repression, but most of the time it's as simple a lesson as teaching a kid to say please and thank you.
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        No one in this comment thread has expressed an opinion anywhere near one of being opposed to allowing kids to yell out of joy or fright. The topic is about the question how to blank the screen when a certain loudness threshold is reached. Which means "is even anyone else in the house" or other such factors do not enter into it. Which in turn means this isn't teaching politeness, this is like teaching a dog; no disrespect to dogs intended, but I mean that they usually just learn what to do, not why (which is fine in the case of a dog, unacceptable for a kid). Maybe it just seems like being dramatic to you because I'm actually paying attention to the finer details here, and you don't. I complain about this specific case, and you defend it because there's sometimes a reason to tell a kid to not yell etc... which is funny, but not quite the rebuttal you imagine it to be. Telling a kid to quiet down while playing a PC game is simply to teach them to respect the presence of others around them. I completely agree; what in anything I wrote makes you think I don't? And what about the topic makes you think what is being done here? Though I would add that I wouldn't want to be the person who doesn't sometimes also get joy out of the loud expression of joy from others. Depends on what you're doing etc.,.. so respect also means letting the kids holler sometimes. Respect doesn't just go one way, and if you haven't made children to become happy humans, what have you made them for? But don't get sidetracked, remember: The parent in question does NOT tell their kids "I want you to be more quiet, so I made this script", they outright lie (and proudly report that it's working, too), and even seek to automate it just to put a hard cap on the loudness levels of their kids. And that's okay because it's effective, gets the desired result, case closed...? Well pah, I disagree, just like I also frown upon telling kids they should be nice so Santa gives them presents; not because I am against being nice, but because I'm against the layer of indirection and dishonesty. This is the second time I responded to a strawman, and I find that telling in and of itself. I have nothing against something the parent in question isn't even doing, I have something against what they actually are doing. Is that so hard to understand? You don't turn kids into "good adults" by not taking them seriously and telling them the computer is annoyed by loud noise... What. The. Fuck. That this topic is not _full_ of ridicule, just like the comments on the linked site, is just sad.
        Evbn 14y ago
        Adults who live alone in the wilderness don't need civilized behavior. Adults who live in civilization do.
      - alan_cx 14y ago
        I hear, "I want my kids assimilated in to the borg collective". As a parent of 6 kids ( ages 2 to 19), quiet does not equate to better adult. IMHO, we are talking about parental intolerance. Or, to be fair, conforming to the intolerance of those around. (I understand the problems of living in a flat or apartment) All that quiet discipline stuff kicks in at pre-school, then school, where they do have to follow rigid rules, and face consequence if they don't. I have always allowed my kids to let off, as it were, at home. Obviously only to a point, but I give them a fairly long leash. I tend to think if they cant be themselves at home, then where can they? Of course if it gets too much, or seems distressing, then something is wrong and it needs discussion. But, I fear the rigid. I don't want drones for kids. They learn enough about fitting in with others from the rest of life. At home, to a point, I let them be.
        fastball 14y ago
        I'm not really sure that "being loud" is the same as "being yourself". Most children are loud at some point in their life, and it has little to do with who they are as a person. Telling your children to tone it down is not the same as telling them that Justin Bieber is an awful musician, or that MMORPGs are a pointless waste of time. You will not effect your child's personality by enforcing some noise violations.
    - dasil003 14y ago
      Maybe. But jumping to conclusions about other people's parenting is the prototype of the slippery slope.
- alan_cx 14y ago
  And its only once you do have them that you realise how much you didn't want them...
  - Tichy 14y ago
    Or vice versa, how much you wanted them.
    - icebraining 14y ago
      Often, both (I hear).
    - alan_cx 14y ago
      Yeah, I suppose I do like one of my kids. Hmm, good point. ;)
      - Tichy 14y ago
        I'm guessing you only have one kid :-)
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Never happened to me :-) I have two of hem, and I can honestly say that even when they make me mad I realise how much I need them!
- neumann_alfred 14y ago
  On what planet do kids not make a lot of noise?
  - ajuc 14y ago
    One without atmosphere, obviously.
  - aurelianito 14y ago
    I am a divorced father with a 3 years old son. My son does not yell at me nor at any one else (AFAIK). When he wants something he requests it, and I will usually honor his request unless I see a good reason for not doing so. If that's the case, I will take the time to explain it to him even thou I know that he will not understand everything I say. I think that's important, because it shows commitment to him. My decisions are usually final (for now). This will change when he grows up and becomes able to articulate good arguments on the reasons of what he wants. He does play with other children. And when he does, he is quite clear on the limits with him. When another children attempts to steal one of his toys he will stand on principle (I really like that he has this personality). He will talk with other children but not yell. If the other child is yelling he will probably ignore him. And he chooses to play with other children who are also calmed. If he does not do something I want him to do, he will get punished (as part of the feedback loop). It usually involves not looking at his favorite cartoons. If he does something right, he gets a praise. What is even more interesting is that other people's sons and daughters also behave like that when they are with me. So, it leaves two possible choices: 1. I am somehow special and children behave different around me. 2. Lots of children also behave like my son. So far, I have chosen option number 2 as my belief. I also think that if you make clear the boundaries for children, they will honor them.
    - jacobr 14y ago
      > I will take the time to explain it to him even thou I know that he will not understand everything I say This worked surprisingly well from a very young age (<1) for my son. It seems like it shows him I take his concerns seriously, but that I have good reason for my objections.
    - 14y ago
Confusion 14y ago
You don't know whether they are having fun: they may as well be fighting a lot. But let's assume they are having fun: people can have fun without making a lot of noise. In fact, the question is why people make a lot of noise in the first place. It doesn't seem like a very good evolutionary strategy, which suggests it is in fact learned behavior with a cultural source. In which case it may not be a bad idea to try and unlearn your children this behavior.
- Evbn 14y ago
  It is advantageous for kids to make their location known to adults who protect them from danger. Why adults make noise,I don't know. Usually juvenile, drunk adults are noisier.
kyro 14y ago
I feel the same way about parents who want their kids to stop smearing spaghetti sauce on the walls. It totally ruins the creative process. Might as well kill your kid at that point.
- muoncf 14y ago
  I'm calling Poe's law on this one.
reinhardt 14y ago
Spoken as a childless preacher.
blazingfrog2 14y ago
Spot on. Once you have kids, your self ceases to exist and 100% of your brain power (and patience for that matter) are redirected to the task of rearing those children. After all, it's not like parents have a life to live, a work/personal life balance to strike or any shot at personal happiness anyway. Words of wisdom, dear sir. I can totally tell you have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow... why did this guy think it was a good idea to have children if he didn't want children? "Hi, I need a script to kill fun. I hate when children are having fun."

dasil003 14y ago

To be fair, no one has the first clue what they're getting into when they have kids.

corin_ 14y ago
And to be more fair, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that "wanting his kids to yell at the computer less" means "doesn't want those kids".
- simplexion 14y ago
  He doesn't want his kids to yell less, he wants them to not yell. I hear someone say they want their kids to be quiet more and I hear, "I want my children to be adults."
  - pestaa 14y ago
    Instead I hear "I want my children to play more quietly so they may become better adults."
    - neumann_alfred 14y ago
      How do repressed children make for "better adults"?
      - fastball 14y ago
        That's not repression, it's polite behaviour. I'm fairly certain that every mother ever has told her children to stop yelling in the house at least once. If they want to yell while playing games, then they can play games outside. From the single bit of data I have, your idea of repression seems to be anything less than complete anarchy... do you have children?
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        If they want to yell while playing games, then they can play games outside. Not computer games they can't. And not in all seasons/kinds of weather, either. I'm fairly certain that every mother ever has told her children to stop yelling in the house at least once. And I'm fairly certain every parent (mother? what?) also sometimes allowed it. You know, politeness is kind of about a sentient counterpart, rather a fixed sound threshold in a panopticon. From the single bit of data I have, your idea of repression seems to be anything less than complete anarchy How so? If I think it's repressing if a child is under no circumstance allowed to yell out in joy or fright while playing? What does this have to do with anarchy? That's not anarchy, that's life.
        kyro 14y ago
        Stop being so dramatic. No one in this comment thread has expressed an opinion anywhere near one of being opposed to allowing kids to yell out of joy or fright. Let me ask you: would you mind sitting next to a group of kids at the movie theater chatting away and carrying a running commentary throughout the film all out of sheer excitement? I suspect you would; I know I would. Why? Because it's disrespectful. Telling a kid to quiet down while playing a PC game is usually done simply to teach them to respect the presence of others around them. Sure, there are controlling parents out there, and in those cases, you may call it repression, but most of the time it's as simple a lesson as teaching a kid to say please and thank you.
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        No one in this comment thread has expressed an opinion anywhere near one of being opposed to allowing kids to yell out of joy or fright. The topic is about the question how to blank the screen when a certain loudness threshold is reached. Which means "is even anyone else in the house" or other such factors do not enter into it. Which in turn means this isn't teaching politeness, this is like teaching a dog; no disrespect to dogs intended, but I mean that they usually just learn what to do, not why (which is fine in the case of a dog, unacceptable for a kid). Maybe it just seems like being dramatic to you because I'm actually paying attention to the finer details here, and you don't. I complain about this specific case, and you defend it because there's sometimes a reason to tell a kid to not yell etc... which is funny, but not quite the rebuttal you imagine it to be. Telling a kid to quiet down while playing a PC game is simply to teach them to respect the presence of others around them. I completely agree; what in anything I wrote makes you think I don't? And what about the topic makes you think what is being done here? Though I would add that I wouldn't want to be the person who doesn't sometimes also get joy out of the loud expression of joy from others. Depends on what you're doing etc.,.. so respect also means letting the kids holler sometimes. Respect doesn't just go one way, and if you haven't made children to become happy humans, what have you made them for? But don't get sidetracked, remember: The parent in question does NOT tell their kids "I want you to be more quiet, so I made this script", they outright lie (and proudly report that it's working, too), and even seek to automate it just to put a hard cap on the loudness levels of their kids. And that's okay because it's effective, gets the desired result, case closed...? Well pah, I disagree, just like I also frown upon telling kids they should be nice so Santa gives them presents; not because I am against being nice, but because I'm against the layer of indirection and dishonesty. This is the second time I responded to a strawman, and I find that telling in and of itself. I have nothing against something the parent in question isn't even doing, I have something against what they actually are doing. Is that so hard to understand? You don't turn kids into "good adults" by not taking them seriously and telling them the computer is annoyed by loud noise... What. The. Fuck. That this topic is not _full_ of ridicule, just like the comments on the linked site, is just sad.
      - Evbn 14y ago
        Adults who live alone in the wilderness don't need civilized behavior. Adults who live in civilization do.
    - alan_cx 14y ago
      I hear, "I want my kids assimilated in to the borg collective". As a parent of 6 kids ( ages 2 to 19), quiet does not equate to better adult. IMHO, we are talking about parental intolerance. Or, to be fair, conforming to the intolerance of those around. (I understand the problems of living in a flat or apartment) All that quiet discipline stuff kicks in at pre-school, then school, where they do have to follow rigid rules, and face consequence if they don't. I have always allowed my kids to let off, as it were, at home. Obviously only to a point, but I give them a fairly long leash. I tend to think if they cant be themselves at home, then where can they? Of course if it gets too much, or seems distressing, then something is wrong and it needs discussion. But, I fear the rigid. I don't want drones for kids. They learn enough about fitting in with others from the rest of life. At home, to a point, I let them be.
      - fastball 14y ago
        I'm not really sure that "being loud" is the same as "being yourself". Most children are loud at some point in their life, and it has little to do with who they are as a person. Telling your children to tone it down is not the same as telling them that Justin Bieber is an awful musician, or that MMORPGs are a pointless waste of time. You will not effect your child's personality by enforcing some noise violations.
  - dasil003 14y ago
    Maybe. But jumping to conclusions about other people's parenting is the prototype of the slippery slope.
alan_cx 14y ago
And its only once you do have them that you realise how much you didn't want them...
- Tichy 14y ago
  Or vice versa, how much you wanted them.
  - icebraining 14y ago
    Often, both (I hear).
  - alan_cx 14y ago
    Yeah, I suppose I do like one of my kids. Hmm, good point. ;)
    - Tichy 14y ago
      I'm guessing you only have one kid :-)
- chris_wot 14y ago
  Never happened to me :-) I have two of hem, and I can honestly say that even when they make me mad I realise how much I need them!
neumann_alfred 14y ago
On what planet do kids not make a lot of noise?
- ajuc 14y ago
  One without atmosphere, obviously.
- aurelianito 14y ago
  I am a divorced father with a 3 years old son. My son does not yell at me nor at any one else (AFAIK). When he wants something he requests it, and I will usually honor his request unless I see a good reason for not doing so. If that's the case, I will take the time to explain it to him even thou I know that he will not understand everything I say. I think that's important, because it shows commitment to him. My decisions are usually final (for now). This will change when he grows up and becomes able to articulate good arguments on the reasons of what he wants. He does play with other children. And when he does, he is quite clear on the limits with him. When another children attempts to steal one of his toys he will stand on principle (I really like that he has this personality). He will talk with other children but not yell. If the other child is yelling he will probably ignore him. And he chooses to play with other children who are also calmed. If he does not do something I want him to do, he will get punished (as part of the feedback loop). It usually involves not looking at his favorite cartoons. If he does something right, he gets a praise. What is even more interesting is that other people's sons and daughters also behave like that when they are with me. So, it leaves two possible choices: 1. I am somehow special and children behave different around me. 2. Lots of children also behave like my son. So far, I have chosen option number 2 as my belief. I also think that if you make clear the boundaries for children, they will honor them.
  - jacobr 14y ago
    > I will take the time to explain it to him even thou I know that he will not understand everything I say This worked surprisingly well from a very young age (<1) for my son. It seems like it shows him I take his concerns seriously, but that I have good reason for my objections.
  - 14y ago

Confusion 14y ago

You don't know whether they are having fun: they may as well be fighting a lot. But let's assume they are having fun: people can have fun without making a lot of noise. In fact, the question is why people make a lot of noise in the first place. It doesn't seem like a very good evolutionary strategy, which suggests it is in fact learned behavior with a cultural source. In which case it may not be a bad idea to try and unlearn your children this behavior.

Evbn 14y ago
It is advantageous for kids to make their location known to adults who protect them from danger. Why adults make noise,I don't know. Usually juvenile, drunk adults are noisier.

kyro 14y ago

I feel the same way about parents who want their kids to stop smearing spaghetti sauce on the walls. It totally ruins the creative process. Might as well kill your kid at that point.

muoncf 14y ago
I'm calling Poe's law on this one.

reinhardt 14y ago

Spoken as a childless preacher.

blazingfrog2 14y ago

Spot on. Once you have kids, your self ceases to exist and 100% of your brain power (and patience for that matter) are redirected to the task of rearing those children. After all, it's not like parents have a life to live, a work/personal life balance to strike or any shot at personal happiness anyway. Words of wisdom, dear sir. I can totally tell you have no idea what you're talking about.