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I work for Stack Exchange in Germany (where they have no presence except for me), and I'm a regular employee with all German taxes, social security etc. that en

by balpha 14y ago

I work for Stack Exchange in Germany (where they have no presence except for me), and I'm a regular employee with all German taxes, social security etc. that entails. These things can be made to work.

kintamanimatt 14y ago
How do they do this? I seem to be having a mental block as to the logistics of this. (On a side note, the pragmatics of having cross border employees when you have no presence in that country would be a very, very interesting blog post, and one I'd read with interest.) From another comment I understand they also have a UK presence. Are you a true-blue employee or a contractor who takes care of their own taxes and affairs, and just issues monthly invoices? If you are an actual employee (in the legal sense), are you employed by the UK or US company, or something else? Do they have to have an address there, or a foreign subsidiary? Presumably there's no German legal entity, so how have they registered there to pay tax? This is something I'm prospectively interested in doing for my own business, but I'm not sure how I'd make it work from a tax point of view.
- zschallz 14y ago
  I may be wrong, but if they have a presence in the UK they most likely do not need a presence in Germany. Through EU agreements, Germans are allowed to work legally in the UK.
  - kintamanimatt 14y ago
    They are allowed to live, work, and study in the UK without any significant restriction, and the tax issue would be a non-issue if they were domiciled in the UK. The reason it's interesting and complicated is because they're apparently living and working in Germany as an employee, without FogCreek having a German entity. They wouldn't be subject to British taxes and there's no German business entity to register with the German tax office. A UK company (or a company of any jurisdiction) can establish a subsidiary in another EU state, in much the same way you could register a NY-incorporated company as a foreign company in CA, but this doesn't appear to be what's happened in this case.
- balpha 14y ago
  I'm a regular employee (of the UK presence; it's all EU, so I assume that makes things a bit easier). There's a German tax office that does the wage accounting to make sure that it follows all the rules. The only difference to a standard German employee is this: While in Germany legally the employee owes the wage taxes, they're usually collected by the employer and passed on to the authorities. But the German tax authorities don't like to do that with foreign companies (basically because they can't hunt after them when they don't pay). So from a legal perspective, I pay the wage taxes myself (but the tax office takes care of that as well).
  - kintamanimatt 14y ago
    I never knew that was possible! I'd have imagined it could have been possible as a contractor, but not with this arrangement. Is there any particular benefit to being an employee in this case as opposed to a contractor?
    - 46Bit 14y ago
      I expect some aspects of EU working law apply, which gives you a lot more protection than a simple contracting relationship.
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by balpha 14y ago

kintamanimatt 14y ago

How do they do this? I seem to be having a mental block as to the logistics of this. (On a side note, the pragmatics of having cross border employees when you have no presence in that country would be a very, very interesting blog post, and one I'd read with interest.) From another comment I understand they also have a UK presence. Are you a true-blue employee or a contractor who takes care of their own taxes and affairs, and just issues monthly invoices? If you are an actual employee (in the legal sense), are you employed by the UK or US company, or something else? Do they have to have an address there, or a foreign subsidiary? Presumably there's no German legal entity, so how have they registered there to pay tax? This is something I'm prospectively interested in doing for my own business, but I'm not sure how I'd make it work from a tax point of view.

zschallz 14y ago
I may be wrong, but if they have a presence in the UK they most likely do not need a presence in Germany. Through EU agreements, Germans are allowed to work legally in the UK.
- kintamanimatt 14y ago
  They are allowed to live, work, and study in the UK without any significant restriction, and the tax issue would be a non-issue if they were domiciled in the UK. The reason it's interesting and complicated is because they're apparently living and working in Germany as an employee, without FogCreek having a German entity. They wouldn't be subject to British taxes and there's no German business entity to register with the German tax office. A UK company (or a company of any jurisdiction) can establish a subsidiary in another EU state, in much the same way you could register a NY-incorporated company as a foreign company in CA, but this doesn't appear to be what's happened in this case.
balpha 14y ago
I'm a regular employee (of the UK presence; it's all EU, so I assume that makes things a bit easier). There's a German tax office that does the wage accounting to make sure that it follows all the rules. The only difference to a standard German employee is this: While in Germany legally the employee owes the wage taxes, they're usually collected by the employer and passed on to the authorities. But the German tax authorities don't like to do that with foreign companies (basically because they can't hunt after them when they don't pay). So from a legal perspective, I pay the wage taxes myself (but the tax office takes care of that as well).
- kintamanimatt 14y ago
  I never knew that was possible! I'd have imagined it could have been possible as a contractor, but not with this arrangement. Is there any particular benefit to being an employee in this case as opposed to a contractor?
  - 46Bit 14y ago
    I expect some aspects of EU working law apply, which gives you a lot more protection than a simple contracting relationship.

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