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>I license it, and when I bought the phone, I agreed to that license. That's the claim they want you to accept, but it isn't true in many jurisdictions, and in

>I license it, and when I bought the phone, I agreed to that license. That's the claim they want you to accept, but it isn't true in many jurisdictions, and in those where it is (US) people should be fighting to fix that mistake, not using it to excuse immoral behaviour. I do not require a license to use software. I did not agree to any license when I purchased my phone. I did not sign any contract. >Apple cannot stop me (legally) from running whatever software I like on my iPhone. This contradicts your previous claim that you do not own the software, and that you must abide by some license. Their license says "you can't bypass the restrictions we put on you". You can't argue that you are both bound to it, and not bound to it. >but it's not fair to dress it up under the precept of "rights". Why not? We have rights in other areas, specifically to protect people against predatory companies doing shitty things because "haha you agreed to it!".

bradleyland 14y ago
You're conflating use of hardware with a restriction on software. They are not the same. If you can find a way to load Linux on an iPhone, Apple won't even bother to try and stop you. I agree that we should have better laws protecting consumers from abuse, but I'm not sure what to make of "I do not require a license to use software". If I create something that I do not want to give away, I expect to be able to define some restrictions on its use. You may have a different expectation, but I don't think you have majority support on that.
- papsosouid 14y ago
  >You're conflating use of hardware with a restriction on software. No, you are assuming the only case of software restriction is limiting my OS choice. Apple works very hard to try to stop people from helping others to fix their crippled phones, so that they can install sofware on them that apple has not approved. >I'm not sure what to make of "I do not require a license to use software" Software is protected by copyright. Just like other creative works, like a book for example. Copyright gives the author exclusive rights to certain things, like distribution, copying, and creating derivative works. It does not give them exclusive rights to use the work. Copyright law prevents you from selling a book written by someone else (without their permission). It does not prevent you from reading it. The same is true of software. You can't sell itunes, but you are entirely within your rights to use it. >You may have a different expectation, but I don't think you have majority support on that. The law supports me on that.
  - rbanffy 14y ago
    > Copyright law prevents you from selling a book written by someone else (without their permission) Actually, you can't sell copies of the book. You can sell your original.

bradleyland 14y ago

You're conflating use of hardware with a restriction on software. They are not the same. If you can find a way to load Linux on an iPhone, Apple won't even bother to try and stop you. I agree that we should have better laws protecting consumers from abuse, but I'm not sure what to make of "I do not require a license to use software". If I create something that I do not want to give away, I expect to be able to define some restrictions on its use. You may have a different expectation, but I don't think you have majority support on that.

papsosouid 14y ago
>You're conflating use of hardware with a restriction on software. No, you are assuming the only case of software restriction is limiting my OS choice. Apple works very hard to try to stop people from helping others to fix their crippled phones, so that they can install sofware on them that apple has not approved. >I'm not sure what to make of "I do not require a license to use software" Software is protected by copyright. Just like other creative works, like a book for example. Copyright gives the author exclusive rights to certain things, like distribution, copying, and creating derivative works. It does not give them exclusive rights to use the work. Copyright law prevents you from selling a book written by someone else (without their permission). It does not prevent you from reading it. The same is true of software. You can't sell itunes, but you are entirely within your rights to use it. >You may have a different expectation, but I don't think you have majority support on that. The law supports me on that.
- rbanffy 14y ago
  > Copyright law prevents you from selling a book written by someone else (without their permission) Actually, you can't sell copies of the book. You can sell your original.