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> HUGE error Yeah those lost $0.5mm worth of sales are really going to kill Apple off.

by coob 14y ago

kirinan 14y ago
constructive comment. On a more meaningful comment to yours, its not the millions they lose not selling it to those game developers, its the millions that they lose because games are being developed for their system, which is very much a big deal. Having developers on your platform is very important, and in order to have that, you have to give them the right tools, and if you are a hardware company like Apple, that includes the right hardware.
e1ven 14y ago
I suspect that drawkbox's point was that it would have a ripple effect - Fewer MacPros mean fewer games, fewer games might mean people are less likely to switch in general.
SoftwareMaven 14y ago
While I think the comment was overstated, when you stop selling to people who produce something your customers really desire, the effect is much more that the amount you aren't getting from your producer. Think of the impact, for example, if MS said Valve could no longer have/use MS software[1]. The effect would be much more than the paltry amount Valve spends on MS licenses. 1. Yes, the two cases aren't even in the same ballpark (hence the "overstated above"). I'm just illustrating the point.
drawkbox 14y ago
Leaving long time customers without options except to leave the platform is a huge error, really how hard is is to keep a line of Mac Pro going, it isn't losing money and there is a whole line of creators that are saying 'continue to take my money'. Amazingly enough, people still use PCs in the post PC era to make content for non PCs. Many of the best developers on their platform use the Mac Pro. They also heavily influenced others adopting Apple devices. I think it seems small but the influence and impact of this decision is more than the revenue. iMacs will take the place of many of these customers like designers maybe but developers still want a beast with up to 64GB of RAM and 12 cores. You can easily run OSX and Windows dev at same time on it. Might even be an immense error. I for one am disappointed if they don't hold true to the 2013 update. Once you go Hackintosh, why buy iMacs either if you have all that setup? Why walk away from die hard customers? They haven't even tried to grow it. So it could be much bigger and the desktop market for Apple is still untapped for the most part.
Zarathust 14y ago
According to this[0], this is closer to $6B - $7B per year. [0] http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q2fy12datasum.pdf http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q2fy12datasum.pdf
- astrodust 14y ago
  "Desktops" includes the Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro, of which the Mac Pro probably makes up less than 10% of the sales by revenue and 2-3% of the sales by volume.

> HUGE error Yeah those lost $0.5mm worth of sales are really going to kill Apple off.

by coob 14y ago

> HUGE error Yeah those lost $0.5mm worth of sales are really going to kill Apple off.

constructive comment. On a more meaningful comment to yours, its not the millions they lose not selling it to those game developers, its the millions that they lose because games are being developed for their system, which is very much a big deal. Having developers on your platform is very important, and in order to have that, you have to give them the right tools, and if you are a hardware company like Apple, that includes the right hardware.

e1ven 14y ago

I suspect that drawkbox's point was that it would have a ripple effect - Fewer MacPros mean fewer games, fewer games might mean people are less likely to switch in general.

SoftwareMaven 14y ago

While I think the comment was overstated, when you stop selling to people who produce something your customers really desire, the effect is much more that the amount you aren't getting from your producer. Think of the impact, for example, if MS said Valve could no longer have/use MS software[1]. The effect would be much more than the paltry amount Valve spends on MS licenses. 1. Yes, the two cases aren't even in the same ballpark (hence the "overstated above"). I'm just illustrating the point.

drawkbox 14y ago

Leaving long time customers without options except to leave the platform is a huge error, really how hard is is to keep a line of Mac Pro going, it isn't losing money and there is a whole line of creators that are saying 'continue to take my money'. Amazingly enough, people still use PCs in the post PC era to make content for non PCs. Many of the best developers on their platform use the Mac Pro. They also heavily influenced others adopting Apple devices. I think it seems small but the influence and impact of this decision is more than the revenue. iMacs will take the place of many of these customers like designers maybe but developers still want a beast with up to 64GB of RAM and 12 cores. You can easily run OSX and Windows dev at same time on it. Might even be an immense error. I for one am disappointed if they don't hold true to the 2013 update. Once you go Hackintosh, why buy iMacs either if you have all that setup? Why walk away from die hard customers? They haven't even tried to grow it. So it could be much bigger and the desktop market for Apple is still untapped for the most part.

Zarathust 14y ago

According to this[0], this is closer to $6B - $7B per year. [0] http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q2fy12datasum.pdf http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q2fy12datasum.pdf

astrodust 14y ago
"Desktops" includes the Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro, of which the Mac Pro probably makes up less than 10% of the sales by revenue and 2-3% of the sales by volume.