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There is an absolute glut of PHP positions right now, for both inexperienced and highly experienced developers. You'll have to be extra-diligent about making s

There is an absolute glut of PHP positions right now, for both inexperienced and highly experienced developers. You'll have to be extra-diligent about making sure the sources you're learning from aren't full of security holes, however.

adamors 14y ago
Security holes, or just bad practices in general. My biggest gripe with PHP is that every CMS, framework, custom built site uses a different style, some echo HTML some even output HTML in the middle of a class definition etc. I remember reading popular Joomla! extension that counted the number of elements in a one dimensional array with a for loop.
- jtreminio 14y ago
  Drupal, Joomla or Wordpress are not examples of quality PHP products. They are extremely popular because they work, not because of their quality. If you want to see quality, look to the new generation PHP frameworks: Zend Framework 2, Symfony2, for example.
  - ceejayoz 14y ago
    It's an interesting definition of "quality" that doesn't include "the product works".
    - jtreminio 14y ago
      I didn't say it wouldn't include. A Ford Fiesta "works", but is not quality.
ErikAugust 14y ago
Right, I think if you want to work professionally as a developer you can certainly find one maintaining PHP code. However, newer projects and startups are moving towards Python and Rails so if your goal is to be in that game, learn one of those.
- jtreminio 14y ago
  Spreading FUD. There's an immeasurable amount of new work to be done in PHP. You have absolutely no numbers to back up your statement.
  - rbchv 14y ago
    Actually that's why I asked initially. You hear a lot about Python/Ruby these days, but I'm wondering if there is any data in the regards.
    - dubcanada 14y ago
      They are just the language of the year, this year it will probably be all about go and node.js and maybe next year it will be about Steve's Language and ASP. Moral of the story is, it's just whats in season this year. Some people will argue better languages, but really there are problems with all of them.
  - huherto 14y ago
    You are right. The parent comment is probably just wishing that the world is moving forward.
    - jasonm23 14y ago
      Yep, get ready for the BASIC revolution.
    - ErikAugust 14y ago
      Heh. Go figure. I make my money with PHP.
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adamors 14y ago

Security holes, or just bad practices in general. My biggest gripe with PHP is that every CMS, framework, custom built site uses a different style, some echo HTML some even output HTML in the middle of a class definition etc. I remember reading popular Joomla! extension that counted the number of elements in a one dimensional array with a for loop.

jtreminio 14y ago
Drupal, Joomla or Wordpress are not examples of quality PHP products. They are extremely popular because they work, not because of their quality. If you want to see quality, look to the new generation PHP frameworks: Zend Framework 2, Symfony2, for example.
- ceejayoz 14y ago
  It's an interesting definition of "quality" that doesn't include "the product works".
  - jtreminio 14y ago
    I didn't say it wouldn't include. A Ford Fiesta "works", but is not quality.

ErikAugust 14y ago

Right, I think if you want to work professionally as a developer you can certainly find one maintaining PHP code. However, newer projects and startups are moving towards Python and Rails so if your goal is to be in that game, learn one of those.

jtreminio 14y ago
Spreading FUD. There's an immeasurable amount of new work to be done in PHP. You have absolutely no numbers to back up your statement.
- rbchv 14y ago
  Actually that's why I asked initially. You hear a lot about Python/Ruby these days, but I'm wondering if there is any data in the regards.
  - dubcanada 14y ago
    They are just the language of the year, this year it will probably be all about go and node.js and maybe next year it will be about Steve's Language and ASP. Moral of the story is, it's just whats in season this year. Some people will argue better languages, but really there are problems with all of them.
- huherto 14y ago
  You are right. The parent comment is probably just wishing that the world is moving forward.
  - jasonm23 14y ago
    Yep, get ready for the BASIC revolution.
  - ErikAugust 14y ago
    Heh. Go figure. I make my money with PHP.
- deleted 14y ago
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