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I don't think the $900 tablet that makes you pay for 64 GB of storage, but only allows you to use 23 GB is really what people are waiting for.

rednukleus 14y ago
So put a 64gb SD card in there for 50 bucks. It's not an Apple product.
- cremnob 14y ago
  With the keyboard the Surface Pro is already more expensive than the cheapest Macbook Air.
  - rednukleus 14y ago
    And they both have their strengths and weaknesses. What's your point? Or is this just blind hatred for a device that hasn't even launched yet?
    - rayiner 14y ago
      Is it really hard to believe that rational people can see the Surface Pro as a severely compromised device just based on the specifications? Surface Pro enthusiasts are psyched about the Ivy Bridge CPU and real Windows 8, while detractors are skeptical about the severe compromises in the design: 33% heavier than an iPad with half the battery life and a small screen and pathetic keyboard/trackpad story relative to a real ultrabook. The enthusiasts could be right, it could end up being a "no compromises" hit of a device. But my money is with the detractors. I think it makes too many compromises relative to a real tablet and a real ultrabook to be a successful device that convinces people to consolidate both.
      - rednukleus 14y ago
        A lot of people wrote off the iPad, and thrn 7" tablets based purely on specifications, and look how they turned out. There is an awful lot of negativity around the Surface Pro from some people, and its pretty obvious a lot of it is purely because its a Microsoft product. I think we should at least wait until the damn thing has launched before we we come to any conclusions about it.
        rayiner 14y ago
        > A lot of people wrote off the iPad There was a lot of negativity about the iPad, and people were wrong. It turned out that multi-touch was a total game changer for the tablet form factor, and people didn't see it coming. > There is an awful lot of negativity around the Surface Pro from some people, and its pretty obvious a lot of it is purely because its a Microsoft product. I don't think it's "obvious" at all. Microsoft is launching a 2 pound tablet with 4-5 hour battery life at a $900 price point. You don't have to dislike Microsoft to think that the "but you can run Visual Studio on it!" angle is just going to go over peoples' heads and the market will pass on the device. Especially considering the lack of "game changer" as existed in the iPad. Is the weight reduction from 3-3.5 pounds as with the previous Windows tablets to 2 pounds (at the cost of battery life and a real keyboard) going to be that game changer? I think you have to really be rooting for MS to think that is the case.
        rednukleus 14y ago
        If you don't think full Windows 8 with full Office on a tablet in that form factor isn't a potential game changer for enterprise, you're insane. > There was a lot of negativity about the iPad, but people were wrong. Exactly. So just like with the iPad, don't you think we should wait until people actually use this potentially game changing device to find out if it is a flop or a game changer? The reason why I say its obvious that many people are dismissing this device because its from Microsoft is that I've seen a lot of comments that say "Its Microsoft, and Microdoft always [insert sterotype here]". Im not saying everyone is doing that, but there's certainly a big element of it.
        14y ago
      - sp332 14y ago
        With a keyboard it's still lighter than the smallest MacBook Air. You may be right about the battery life though.
        rayiner 14y ago
        I find the Macbook Air comparisons absolutely ridiculous. Without a real keyboard and real trackpad, the Surface is absolutely not a Macbook Air competitor. Ever read a laptop review? They eviscerate products for having far better keyboards/trackpads than the Type Cover.
        sp332 14y ago
        It's 100% better than the iPad's nonexistent keyboard.
        rayiner 14y ago
        "Surface Pro makes for a bad tablet because it has short battery life, is too heavy, and is far too expensive" -> "But it's actually an ultrabook, compare to the Macbook Air" "Surface Pro makes for a bad ultrabook because it has a crappy keyboard with a tiny track pad" -> "But it's a tablet, with a 100% better keyboard than the iPad's" The Surface Pro is going to be the opposite of a "no compromises" product. It's going to be a crappy tablet and a crappy laptop in one device.

rednukleus 14y ago

So put a 64gb SD card in there for 50 bucks. It's not an Apple product.

cremnob 14y ago
With the keyboard the Surface Pro is already more expensive than the cheapest Macbook Air.
- rednukleus 14y ago
  And they both have their strengths and weaknesses. What's your point? Or is this just blind hatred for a device that hasn't even launched yet?
  - rayiner 14y ago
    Is it really hard to believe that rational people can see the Surface Pro as a severely compromised device just based on the specifications? Surface Pro enthusiasts are psyched about the Ivy Bridge CPU and real Windows 8, while detractors are skeptical about the severe compromises in the design: 33% heavier than an iPad with half the battery life and a small screen and pathetic keyboard/trackpad story relative to a real ultrabook. The enthusiasts could be right, it could end up being a "no compromises" hit of a device. But my money is with the detractors. I think it makes too many compromises relative to a real tablet and a real ultrabook to be a successful device that convinces people to consolidate both.
    - rednukleus 14y ago
      A lot of people wrote off the iPad, and thrn 7" tablets based purely on specifications, and look how they turned out. There is an awful lot of negativity around the Surface Pro from some people, and its pretty obvious a lot of it is purely because its a Microsoft product. I think we should at least wait until the damn thing has launched before we we come to any conclusions about it.
      - rayiner 14y ago
        > A lot of people wrote off the iPad There was a lot of negativity about the iPad, and people were wrong. It turned out that multi-touch was a total game changer for the tablet form factor, and people didn't see it coming. > There is an awful lot of negativity around the Surface Pro from some people, and its pretty obvious a lot of it is purely because its a Microsoft product. I don't think it's "obvious" at all. Microsoft is launching a 2 pound tablet with 4-5 hour battery life at a $900 price point. You don't have to dislike Microsoft to think that the "but you can run Visual Studio on it!" angle is just going to go over peoples' heads and the market will pass on the device. Especially considering the lack of "game changer" as existed in the iPad. Is the weight reduction from 3-3.5 pounds as with the previous Windows tablets to 2 pounds (at the cost of battery life and a real keyboard) going to be that game changer? I think you have to really be rooting for MS to think that is the case.
        rednukleus 14y ago
        If you don't think full Windows 8 with full Office on a tablet in that form factor isn't a potential game changer for enterprise, you're insane. > There was a lot of negativity about the iPad, but people were wrong. Exactly. So just like with the iPad, don't you think we should wait until people actually use this potentially game changing device to find out if it is a flop or a game changer? The reason why I say its obvious that many people are dismissing this device because its from Microsoft is that I've seen a lot of comments that say "Its Microsoft, and Microdoft always [insert sterotype here]". Im not saying everyone is doing that, but there's certainly a big element of it.
        14y ago
    - sp332 14y ago
      With a keyboard it's still lighter than the smallest MacBook Air. You may be right about the battery life though.
      - rayiner 14y ago
        I find the Macbook Air comparisons absolutely ridiculous. Without a real keyboard and real trackpad, the Surface is absolutely not a Macbook Air competitor. Ever read a laptop review? They eviscerate products for having far better keyboards/trackpads than the Type Cover.
        sp332 14y ago
        It's 100% better than the iPad's nonexistent keyboard.
        rayiner 14y ago
        "Surface Pro makes for a bad tablet because it has short battery life, is too heavy, and is far too expensive" -> "But it's actually an ultrabook, compare to the Macbook Air" "Surface Pro makes for a bad ultrabook because it has a crappy keyboard with a tiny track pad" -> "But it's a tablet, with a 100% better keyboard than the iPad's" The Surface Pro is going to be the opposite of a "no compromises" product. It's going to be a crappy tablet and a crappy laptop in one device.