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I think if you go along that line of argumentation, it would be nice to link to actual articles and studies, rather than the homepage of some organization. Othe

by Tichy 14y ago

I think if you go along that line of argumentation, it would be nice to link to actual articles and studies, rather than the homepage of some organization. Otherwise it is just a "call to authority", and we know those were never wrong in the course of history, right? For starters, what do they even measure to estimate effectiveness? Suicide rates? Happyness induced from a questionaire? Brainwaves? Hormone levels? What does effective even mean? Does it mean the patient did not induce further costs for the health industry? It could mean all sorts of things. For example chaining a patient to a bed could also be very effective in preventing suicide. So if you measure "suicides prevented", perhaps chaining people to beds is the best course of action?

DanBC 14y ago
> it would be nice to link to actual articles and studies, rather than the homepage of some organization. These organisations link to their papers, and to the original studies. > What does effective even mean? Does it mean the patient did not induce further costs for the health industry? It could mean all sorts of things. For example chaining a patient to a bed could also be very effective in preventing suicide. So if you measure "suicides prevented", perhaps chaining people to beds is the best course of action? I knew many questions would be asked, but I didn't know what those questions would be. Rather than try to predict which questions would be asked I just link to the home pages so that you can do your own research. After all, if you're sceptical (not a bad thing) of me you should assume that I'll cherry pick the research that I show you.
- Tichy 14y ago
  Why bother even linking to the homepage, why not just link to Google? Why even discuss at all? Everything can be proved with Google... As for my question about which aspects they even measured: interesting would be of course YOUR aspects, which led you to your conclusion. Otherwise, the same holds: perhaps I believe you that method X is very successful, but really you only said "chaining people to beds is very successful in preventing suicides".

by Tichy 14y ago

DanBC 14y ago

> it would be nice to link to actual articles and studies, rather than the homepage of some organization. These organisations link to their papers, and to the original studies. > What does effective even mean? Does it mean the patient did not induce further costs for the health industry? It could mean all sorts of things. For example chaining a patient to a bed could also be very effective in preventing suicide. So if you measure "suicides prevented", perhaps chaining people to beds is the best course of action? I knew many questions would be asked, but I didn't know what those questions would be. Rather than try to predict which questions would be asked I just link to the home pages so that you can do your own research. After all, if you're sceptical (not a bad thing) of me you should assume that I'll cherry pick the research that I show you.

Tichy 14y ago
Why bother even linking to the homepage, why not just link to Google? Why even discuss at all? Everything can be proved with Google... As for my question about which aspects they even measured: interesting would be of course YOUR aspects, which led you to your conclusion. Otherwise, the same holds: perhaps I believe you that method X is very successful, but really you only said "chaining people to beds is very successful in preventing suicides".