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Note: The video linked to by parent is by CCHR, a known Scientology front group[1]. Doesn't mean they're necessarily right or wrong, just thought people should

Note: The video linked to by parent is by CCHR, a known Scientology front group[1]. Doesn't mean they're necessarily right or wrong, just thought people should know. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_R...

atsaloli 14y ago
Actually, it's no secret that CCHR is related to the Church of Scientology. It says so on www.scientology.org: As part of their religious Code, Scientologists pledge “to expose and help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field of mental health,” and thereby bring about an atmosphere of safety and security to mental healing. Accordingly, in 1969 Scientologists established the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a watchdog group that investigates and exposes psychiatric violations of human rights. http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-human-rights/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-h... What's an example of a physically damaging practice? How about involuntary commitment? How about psychosurgery? Forced electroshock? How about being drugged against your will? How about raped in a psych hospital? Here is what CCHR does about it: http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html I'd call CCHR a social reform group.
- chris_wot 14y ago
  I'd like to see external citations for the list of claimed achievements on that second page. To balance out your links and snippets, here's the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Ri...
  - atsaloli 14y ago
    Here is one for you: "In 1995 CCHR published the acclaimed book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler." http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Roder/dp/0964890917 http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Rod... And another one: "In 1999, members of the Council of Europe issued a resolution that recognized psychiatrists as the architects of the ethnic cleansing and encouraged Council members to 'study the material that has been put together and researched by the French chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.'" http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785&Language=EN http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785...
    - chris_wot 14y ago
      Actually, the second citation you reference asserts that two psychiatrists participated in and coordinated ethnic cleansing, implying that psychiatry was the root cause. It states that eugenics is particularly stupid and unjust (note that this is not a theory recognized in psychiatry) and it was issued as a resolution made by merely three members. In other words, they lobbied a few European politicians into making a statement about facts not necessarily in evidence, in a very limited form to show tenuous conclusions not backed up by any research whatsoever. Awesome. As for the book, you're using the peacock term "acclaimed" and cited an Amazon product page. Not what I'd call a great citation. This is the problem, of course, with citations. It exposes the hollowness of ridiculous arguments by allowing all to see exactly the underpinning assumptions behind statements and assertions. This is why I invented [citation needed]. I appreciate you reminding me why I did so.
      - atsaloli 14y ago
        Thank you. This is quite instructive. What makes a great citation? The claim was that a book was published, and I showed the book. Another claim was that a resolution was passed and I showed the resolution. I thought I was doing well until I read chris's reply. :) I will address chris's point that eugenics is not a theory recognized in psychiatry. 1. Forced sterilization of mental patients was done by social psychiatrists, to improve society by removing the genetic material of mentally feeble and insane. Reference: Keeping America Sane: Psychiatry and Eugenics in the United States and Canada, 1880-1940. Ian Robert Dowbiggin. 245 pp. Cornell University Press, 1997. http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/how-psychiatry-sought-asylum-from-the-insanity-of-eugenics http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/how-psychiatr... http://www.amazon.com/Keeping-America-Sane-Psychiatry-1880-1940/dp/0801483980 http://www.amazon.com/Keeping-America-Sane-Psychiatry-1880-1... 2. The following paper offers historical case studies of "psychiatric genetics" and urges reflection on social psychiatry. The Eugenic Legacy in Psychology and Psychiatry by David Pilgrim of Mental Health Policy, University of Central Lancashire, UK http://isp.sagepub.com/content/54/3/272.abstract http://isp.sagepub.com/content/54/3/272.abstract 3. What about "On human self-domestication, psychiatry, and eugenics" by Martin Brüne in Philos Ethics Humanit Med. 2007; 2: 21. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082022/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082022/ Am I doing better? I want to thank chris for challenging me to contribute higher quality content.
- illuminate 14y ago
  A social reform group run by a paramilitary organization who operates forced labor camps? No thanks. It also poses as an "independent" group when its operators are looking not to reform psychology/psychiatry but subvert and replace entirely with Scientology practices. Frontgroups are not a sign of good intent.
chris_wot 14y ago
Au contraire, if it is related to Scientology, give it a very wide berth.

atsaloli 14y ago

Actually, it's no secret that CCHR is related to the Church of Scientology. It says so on www.scientology.org: As part of their religious Code, Scientologists pledge “to expose and help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field of mental health,” and thereby bring about an atmosphere of safety and security to mental healing. Accordingly, in 1969 Scientologists established the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a watchdog group that investigates and exposes psychiatric violations of human rights. http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-human-rights/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-h... What's an example of a physically damaging practice? How about involuntary commitment? How about psychosurgery? Forced electroshock? How about being drugged against your will? How about raped in a psych hospital? Here is what CCHR does about it: http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html I'd call CCHR a social reform group.

chris_wot 14y ago
I'd like to see external citations for the list of claimed achievements on that second page. To balance out your links and snippets, here's the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Ri...
- atsaloli 14y ago
  Here is one for you: "In 1995 CCHR published the acclaimed book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler." http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Roder/dp/0964890917 http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Rod... And another one: "In 1999, members of the Council of Europe issued a resolution that recognized psychiatrists as the architects of the ethnic cleansing and encouraged Council members to 'study the material that has been put together and researched by the French chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.'" http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785&Language=EN http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785...
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Actually, the second citation you reference asserts that two psychiatrists participated in and coordinated ethnic cleansing, implying that psychiatry was the root cause. It states that eugenics is particularly stupid and unjust (note that this is not a theory recognized in psychiatry) and it was issued as a resolution made by merely three members. In other words, they lobbied a few European politicians into making a statement about facts not necessarily in evidence, in a very limited form to show tenuous conclusions not backed up by any research whatsoever. Awesome. As for the book, you're using the peacock term "acclaimed" and cited an Amazon product page. Not what I'd call a great citation. This is the problem, of course, with citations. It exposes the hollowness of ridiculous arguments by allowing all to see exactly the underpinning assumptions behind statements and assertions. This is why I invented [citation needed]. I appreciate you reminding me why I did so.
    - atsaloli 14y ago
      Thank you. This is quite instructive. What makes a great citation? The claim was that a book was published, and I showed the book. Another claim was that a resolution was passed and I showed the resolution. I thought I was doing well until I read chris's reply. :) I will address chris's point that eugenics is not a theory recognized in psychiatry. 1. Forced sterilization of mental patients was done by social psychiatrists, to improve society by removing the genetic material of mentally feeble and insane. Reference: Keeping America Sane: Psychiatry and Eugenics in the United States and Canada, 1880-1940. Ian Robert Dowbiggin. 245 pp. Cornell University Press, 1997. http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/how-psychiatry-sought-asylum-from-the-insanity-of-eugenics http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/how-psychiatr... http://www.amazon.com/Keeping-America-Sane-Psychiatry-1880-1940/dp/0801483980 http://www.amazon.com/Keeping-America-Sane-Psychiatry-1880-1... 2. The following paper offers historical case studies of "psychiatric genetics" and urges reflection on social psychiatry. The Eugenic Legacy in Psychology and Psychiatry by David Pilgrim of Mental Health Policy, University of Central Lancashire, UK http://isp.sagepub.com/content/54/3/272.abstract http://isp.sagepub.com/content/54/3/272.abstract 3. What about "On human self-domestication, psychiatry, and eugenics" by Martin Brüne in Philos Ethics Humanit Med. 2007; 2: 21. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082022/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082022/ Am I doing better? I want to thank chris for challenging me to contribute higher quality content.
illuminate 14y ago
A social reform group run by a paramilitary organization who operates forced labor camps? No thanks. It also poses as an "independent" group when its operators are looking not to reform psychology/psychiatry but subvert and replace entirely with Scientology practices. Frontgroups are not a sign of good intent.

chris_wot 14y ago

Au contraire, if it is related to Scientology, give it a very wide berth.