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Where are the clinical tests for depression? The diagnosis is solely based on the opinion of the practitioner, there is no brain scan or chemical test that can

Where are the clinical tests for depression? The diagnosis is solely based on the opinion of the practitioner, there is no brain scan or chemical test that can conclusively prove that someone is suffering from depression. The so called "drugs" used to treat depression are no better, they "are thought to work" (big pharma phrases it this way in their own TV ads) by re-balancing the brain's chemistry, but in actual fact they have never been able to prove this with scientific TESTS. So yes, people get sad sometimes, it's a fact of life, but maybe if we stopped prescribing them powerful mind altering narcotics that have FDA black warning label that say right on the box that they increase the risk of suicide, maybe they wouldn't take their own lives in such huge numbers. EDIT: Relevant link, please get ALL the facts before you go see a shrink about your "depression": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128

erikpukinskis 14y ago
The clinical tests are easy to find: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64063/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64063/
- Buzaga 14y ago
  a numbered list? sad joke...
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Otherwise commonly referred to as a "summary". You may have heard of it.
    - Buzaga 14y ago
      let me rephrase it then, a numeric list of general stuff that came up from a committee, that changes every 5 years or so, that anyone in whole world could identify in them in some point their lifes for (generally) a lifetime diagnosis that's given with medical authority backing, like the ones where they know cause, effect and solution? sad joke...
      - chris_wot 14y ago
        Not really much different from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems.
    - Buzaga 14y ago
      Also, this summary plus the psychian gut feeling acts as the whole criteria AFAIK, so it's not a summary, it's the whole exam. When, before Christ, people noticed your urine attracted ants and that it probably had something to do with a disease(diabetes), that was a more criterious diagnosis. Just saying.
Mithrandir 14y ago
Note: The video linked to by parent is by CCHR, a known Scientology front group[1]. Doesn't mean they're necessarily right or wrong, just thought people should know. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_R...
- atsaloli 14y ago
  Actually, it's no secret that CCHR is related to the Church of Scientology. It says so on www.scientology.org: As part of their religious Code, Scientologists pledge “to expose and help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field of mental health,” and thereby bring about an atmosphere of safety and security to mental healing. Accordingly, in 1969 Scientologists established the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a watchdog group that investigates and exposes psychiatric violations of human rights. http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-human-rights/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-h... What's an example of a physically damaging practice? How about involuntary commitment? How about psychosurgery? Forced electroshock? How about being drugged against your will? How about raped in a psych hospital? Here is what CCHR does about it: http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html I'd call CCHR a social reform group.
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    I'd like to see external citations for the list of claimed achievements on that second page. To balance out your links and snippets, here's the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Ri...
    - atsaloli 14y ago
      Here is one for you: "In 1995 CCHR published the acclaimed book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler." http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Roder/dp/0964890917 http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Rod... And another one: "In 1999, members of the Council of Europe issued a resolution that recognized psychiatrists as the architects of the ethnic cleansing and encouraged Council members to 'study the material that has been put together and researched by the French chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.'" http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785&Language=EN http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785...
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Deestan 14y ago
You are demanding more empiricism while simultaneously abusing existing empiricism. > narcotics that have FDA black warning label that say right on the box that they increase the risk of suicide The label says the suicide rate among people who have taken these pills are larger than the population in general. It does in no way mean the pills increase the risk of suicide. Interpret this in the context of these pills being given to people who already have suicidal tendencies, and it's much less scary. This is empirical knowledge that by law must be on all forms of medication. If you are testing a salt water + lemon juice + cinnamon capsule as treatment for high blood pressure, and one of your test subjects gets hospitalized for severe food poisoning from eating shitty take away during the test, and this causes their liver to give out, the pamphlet describing your lemon cinnamon capsules is going to say "very low risk of acute liver failure".

erikpukinskis 14y ago

The clinical tests are easy to find: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64063/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64063/

Buzaga 14y ago
a numbered list? sad joke...
- chris_wot 14y ago
  Otherwise commonly referred to as a "summary". You may have heard of it.
  - Buzaga 14y ago
    let me rephrase it then, a numeric list of general stuff that came up from a committee, that changes every 5 years or so, that anyone in whole world could identify in them in some point their lifes for (generally) a lifetime diagnosis that's given with medical authority backing, like the ones where they know cause, effect and solution? sad joke...
    - chris_wot 14y ago
      Not really much different from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems.
  - Buzaga 14y ago
    Also, this summary plus the psychian gut feeling acts as the whole criteria AFAIK, so it's not a summary, it's the whole exam. When, before Christ, people noticed your urine attracted ants and that it probably had something to do with a disease(diabetes), that was a more criterious diagnosis. Just saying.

Mithrandir 14y ago

Note: The video linked to by parent is by CCHR, a known Scientology front group[1]. Doesn't mean they're necessarily right or wrong, just thought people should know. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_R...

atsaloli 14y ago
Actually, it's no secret that CCHR is related to the Church of Scientology. It says so on www.scientology.org: As part of their religious Code, Scientologists pledge “to expose and help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field of mental health,” and thereby bring about an atmosphere of safety and security to mental healing. Accordingly, in 1969 Scientologists established the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a watchdog group that investigates and exposes psychiatric violations of human rights. http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-human-rights/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html http://www.scientology.org/activity/citizens-commission-on-h... What's an example of a physically damaging practice? How about involuntary commitment? How about psychosurgery? Forced electroshock? How about being drugged against your will? How about raped in a psych hospital? Here is what CCHR does about it: http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html http://www.cchr.org/about-us/cchr-accomplishments.html I'd call CCHR a social reform group.
- chris_wot 14y ago
  I'd like to see external citations for the list of claimed achievements on that second page. To balance out your links and snippets, here's the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Ri...
  - atsaloli 14y ago
    Here is one for you: "In 1995 CCHR published the acclaimed book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler." http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Roder/dp/0964890917 http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatrists-Behind-Hitler-Thomas-Rod... And another one: "In 1999, members of the Council of Europe issued a resolution that recognized psychiatrists as the architects of the ethnic cleansing and encouraged Council members to 'study the material that has been put together and researched by the French chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.'" http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785&Language=EN http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewHTML.asp?FileID=8785...

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Deestan 14y ago

You are demanding more empiricism while simultaneously abusing existing empiricism. > narcotics that have FDA black warning label that say right on the box that they increase the risk of suicide The label says the suicide rate among people who have taken these pills are larger than the population in general. It does in no way mean the pills increase the risk of suicide. Interpret this in the context of these pills being given to people who already have suicidal tendencies, and it's much less scary. This is empirical knowledge that by law must be on all forms of medication. If you are testing a salt water + lemon juice + cinnamon capsule as treatment for high blood pressure, and one of your test subjects gets hospitalized for severe food poisoning from eating shitty take away during the test, and this causes their liver to give out, the pamphlet describing your lemon cinnamon capsules is going to say "very low risk of acute liver failure".