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I haven't heard of "violent music" getting blame in a long time. I think video games kind of took over that rhetoric just because people, mostly children, are i

I haven't heard of "violent music" getting blame in a long time. I think video games kind of took over that rhetoric just because people, mostly children, are immersed in the game in which they are shooting and killing things. Whereas with a movie and even lesser with music they are just watching/listening someone else's story. Video games haven't broken into the art barrier just yet.

aqme28 14y ago
How about this: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/01/02/peds.2012-0708.full.pdf http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/01/... "The results showed that early fans of different types of rock (eg, rock, heavy metal, gothic, punk), African American music (rhythm and blues, hip-hop), and electronic dance music (trance, techno/hardhouse) showed elevated minor delinquency concurrently and longitudinally. Preferring conventional pop (chart pop) or highbrow music (classic music, jazz), in contrast, was not related to or was negatively related to minor delinquency." Though the study isn't so great at the whole causation-correlation thing.
- 6thSigma 14y ago
  I was speaking more about a "Marilyn Manson caused Columbine" type of thing.
  - mgarfias 14y ago
    I thought it was KMFDM?
_delirium 14y ago
I'm skeptical people have really changed their views due to a considered reasoning that, well, we were wrong about music, but the real culprit is games, because they're more immersive, etc. I think they're just serving the same cultural scapegoat position as music did. In the 1990s, people reflexively blamed KMFDM or Marilyn Manson, and today they reflexively blame videogames. I don't see much evidence that the people blaming the latter have thought it through more—and some of them are the same people. In particular, I think politicians like Lamar Alexander are just desperately grasping about for something unpopular to deflect the pressure away from guns.
- 6thSigma 14y ago
  Oh I completely agree. I'm just saying that right now video games serve as a "better scapegoat." I'm sure if virtual reality becomes popular in the next decade we will have a new "better scapegoat."

aqme28 14y ago

How about this: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/01/02/peds.2012-0708.full.pdf http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/01/... "The results showed that early fans of different types of rock (eg, rock, heavy metal, gothic, punk), African American music (rhythm and blues, hip-hop), and electronic dance music (trance, techno/hardhouse) showed elevated minor delinquency concurrently and longitudinally. Preferring conventional pop (chart pop) or highbrow music (classic music, jazz), in contrast, was not related to or was negatively related to minor delinquency." Though the study isn't so great at the whole causation-correlation thing.

6thSigma 14y ago
I was speaking more about a "Marilyn Manson caused Columbine" type of thing.
- mgarfias 14y ago
  I thought it was KMFDM?

_delirium 14y ago

I'm skeptical people have really changed their views due to a considered reasoning that, well, we were wrong about music, but the real culprit is games, because they're more immersive, etc. I think they're just serving the same cultural scapegoat position as music did. In the 1990s, people reflexively blamed KMFDM or Marilyn Manson, and today they reflexively blame videogames. I don't see much evidence that the people blaming the latter have thought it through more—and some of them are the same people. In particular, I think politicians like Lamar Alexander are just desperately grasping about for something unpopular to deflect the pressure away from guns.

6thSigma 14y ago
Oh I completely agree. I'm just saying that right now video games serve as a "better scapegoat." I'm sure if virtual reality becomes popular in the next decade we will have a new "better scapegoat."