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I'm curious, what Java IDE is 10K miles ahead of Visual Studio 2012/C# in your experience? Have you recently used VS with C#?

mdkess 14y ago
Haven't used 2012, but I think that IntelliJ IDEA is much better than VS 2010, anyway. Not to knock on 2010, but IDEA is pretty amazing.
- Rastafarian 14y ago
  There's a VS plugin from the company that makes IDEA, called Resharper. Resharper + VS >> IDEA :D
- steeve 14y ago
  Sorry but I don't share your view. I am using IDEA everyday (Python). It's great, but it's a HUGE memory and CPU hog (although IDEA 12 is much better). I always lament VS...
  - brass9 14y ago
    What's stopping you from using VS with PTVS? http://pytools.codeplex.com/ http://pytools.codeplex.com/ I am a heavy-duty user of both PyCharm/PhpStorm and VS myself.
    - steeve 14y ago
      Because I don't like doing Python on Windows
Raz0rblade 14y ago
Java just doesn't scale, if you want fast code you wont use java. C++ one of the best, and for quick development c#, you can always invoke C++ libs in C# anyway and both are supported in visual studio. If your into webdevelopment even there java is slow.. despite it has some fun libs, but most people use them because their lazy programmers, a good programmer wont rely that much on much external libs
- fadzlan 14y ago
  Are you saying those c# devs who use C++ libs are okay but Java devs who use Java libs are lazy simply because they use Java? So a good programmer reinvent the wheel whenever he can?
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- ElliotH 14y ago
  Twitter uses Java. It seems to survive major events fine these days. I'd say it scales reasonably. You also have to take into account huge enterprise deployments. As for 'fast' it really depends what you mean. Nobody's going to dispute that running a compiled application written in C is going to beat the pants off anything running on top of a VM, but is that speed factor important all of the time? Of course it's not. Most of the time a short wait is perfectly tolerable in exchange for the assistance in writing correct code that languages like Java can provide.
edwinnathaniel 14y ago
Have you ever used Eclipse with various Maven plugin? (and any source control plugins: SVN, GIT, Mercurial, etc). Thing is, Eclipse/IntelliJ plugin ecosystems are far richer and waaay more cost effective (and powerful) than VS.NET plugin ecosystems. I know I keep pointing to Maven but Maven alone is a huge reason why .NET is left to dust.

mdkess 14y ago

Haven't used 2012, but I think that IntelliJ IDEA is much better than VS 2010, anyway. Not to knock on 2010, but IDEA is pretty amazing.

Rastafarian 14y ago
There's a VS plugin from the company that makes IDEA, called Resharper. Resharper + VS >> IDEA :D
steeve 14y ago
Sorry but I don't share your view. I am using IDEA everyday (Python). It's great, but it's a HUGE memory and CPU hog (although IDEA 12 is much better). I always lament VS...
- brass9 14y ago
  What's stopping you from using VS with PTVS? http://pytools.codeplex.com/ http://pytools.codeplex.com/ I am a heavy-duty user of both PyCharm/PhpStorm and VS myself.
  - steeve 14y ago
    Because I don't like doing Python on Windows

Raz0rblade 14y ago

Java just doesn't scale, if you want fast code you wont use java. C++ one of the best, and for quick development c#, you can always invoke C++ libs in C# anyway and both are supported in visual studio. If your into webdevelopment even there java is slow.. despite it has some fun libs, but most people use them because their lazy programmers, a good programmer wont rely that much on much external libs

fadzlan 14y ago
Are you saying those c# devs who use C++ libs are okay but Java devs who use Java libs are lazy simply because they use Java? So a good programmer reinvent the wheel whenever he can?
- deleted 14y ago
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ElliotH 14y ago
Twitter uses Java. It seems to survive major events fine these days. I'd say it scales reasonably. You also have to take into account huge enterprise deployments. As for 'fast' it really depends what you mean. Nobody's going to dispute that running a compiled application written in C is going to beat the pants off anything running on top of a VM, but is that speed factor important all of the time? Of course it's not. Most of the time a short wait is perfectly tolerable in exchange for the assistance in writing correct code that languages like Java can provide.

edwinnathaniel 14y ago

Have you ever used Eclipse with various Maven plugin? (and any source control plugins: SVN, GIT, Mercurial, etc). Thing is, Eclipse/IntelliJ plugin ecosystems are far richer and waaay more cost effective (and powerful) than VS.NET plugin ecosystems. I know I keep pointing to Maven but Maven alone is a huge reason why .NET is left to dust.