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Even if the engineers at Boing are REALLY good (and that's not guaranteed by any means) then you've still go the subcontractor problem to deal with. Boeing did
by msandford 14y ago
Even if the engineers at Boing are REALLY good (and that's not guaranteed by any means) then you've still go the subcontractor problem to deal with. Boeing didn't design, engineer, fabricate, test and qualify these batteries in-house.
Saying that they have advanced degrees from prestigious institutions makes it less likely that they have made mistakes is a non-starter. There ARE PROBLEMS with the batteries FULL STOP. The degrees of those involved make no difference anymore. How seriously they take things doesn't matter.
I don't see that any Tesla cars have caught on fire according to Google (probably not accurate) but in terms of any metric you'd like to see, they're doing much better. Fires per passenger mile, fires per car per year, etc.
- venus 14y ago> Boeing didn't design, engineer, fabricate, test and qualify these batteries in-house. Are you implying Tesla does? http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/panasonic-enters-supply-agreement-tesla-motors-supply-automotivegrade-battery-c http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/panasonic-en...
- T-Winsnes 14y agoAll he did was invalidating this argument from the parent. > The problem here is that the engineers at Boeing are not clowns. Unless you consider people with advanced degrees from the top engineering schools in the world to be clowns.
- MysticFear 14y ago"Panasonic and Tesla together have developed a next-generation battery cell based on this nickel chemistry and optimized specifically for electric vehicle quality and life." Tesla and Panasonic designed it together. Panasonic is just the manufacturer. I would be curious if Boeing engineers were also helping to design the internals of their battery.
- msandford 14y agoNo, not at all. The parent was making an appeal to authority (the engineers are not clowns, they have advanced degrees from prestigious schools). That's fine, but that only matters if those folks did all the work I talked about. I don't care how Tesla got their batteries as the track record of their success makes the credentials of those involved in designing them irrelevant.
- monochromatic 14y ago> There ARE PROBLEMS with the batteries FULL STOP Because Elon Musk says so? Do you base your trust in him on his degrees?
- georgemcbay 14y ago> Because Elon Musk says so? I'm not the guy you're responding to but I think it is safe to say there are problems with the batteries. Because, you see, they are catching fire, which is why all of this became an issue to begin with. The problem may or may not be what Elon Musk thinks it is, but if an airplane's batteries are catching fire mid-flight, those batteries certainly have problems, unless catching fire was one of the design goals of those batteries, but I'm going to have to guess it wasn't.
- monochromatic 14y agoYeeeah, I apparently live under a rock. Hadn't heard about the fires, only skimmed the Elon Musk article. Disregard, carry on.
- wiredfool 14y agoWell, there have been at least 100 of them replaced so far, for either being discharged too far, expired, or had charging problems. Apparently, it's pretty easy for ground crews to leave something going that drains the battery to the point where it needs to be sent back to the manufacturer. That's on 50 planes that have been flying in commercial service for less than a year. Oh yeah, and that fire thing too.
- fnordfnordfnord 14y agoThermal runaway in high performance batteries? Musk is not exactly the first to notice this phenomena. His hypothesis is fairly straightforward.
- gnaffle 14y agoNo, the FAA says so, leading to a grounding of all the planes.