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It's absolutely astonishing to me that there could still be people out there, even in what's termed wilderness, who have never encountered the modernities of th

It's absolutely astonishing to me that there could still be people out there, even in what's termed wilderness, who have never encountered the modernities of the society we inhabit - that for an all but unknown few the world is still just what lies outside their front door. I feel true sadness for the Lykov's, being 'discovered', then somewhat forced by the intrusion of others to be aware of their greater surroundings and soon thereafter the father and sister seeing the rest of their family felled in quick succession.

dfxm12 14y ago
You might already know about this, but I feel like you might be interested in the people of the North Sentinel Island, some of the "last people to remain virtually untouched by modern civilization": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island
waterlesscloud 14y ago
Indeed. My grandfather used to tell me tales of his day in the Civilian Conservation Corps, building roads in the southern end of the Appalachian Mountains in the 1930s. They'd be going along clearing out land for a road and they'd come across a hollow with residents who had been isolated for decades, if not a century or more. He said they knew nothing about the world at all, though they would have basic tools from way back. Of course, that was 80 years ago now.
- FredFredrickson 14y ago
  Interesting little story. Did your grandfather say anything about how the people out in the wilderness reacted?
  - waterlesscloud 14y ago
    In general they were mistrustful of outsiders and didn't want anything to do with them. Most of them weren't happy about the new roads (these would have been very basic dirt forest-service style roads at the time). They lived in very simple shacks, and of course had no electricity or running water. Only vaguely related, but after his time in the CCC, my grandfather became a pentacostal preacher, which he remained for the rest of his life. His first "church" was a brush arbor he built himself. Funny how different life was then. Brush arbor information: http://brusharborquarterly.com/about.html http://brusharborquarterly.com/about.html
unreal37 14y ago
There is also at least one tribe in South America that has never been contacted by the outside world. http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/brazilfootage http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/brazilfootage
- will_brown 14y ago
  There are a number of tribes along the Amazon who have never been contacted by the outside World, for example Brazil actively tries to identify isolated Indian tribes by fly-over but a policy to not contact them. Here is a story about drug traffickers massacring one of the documented, but uncontacted tribes: http://www.ibtimes.com/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-massacred-peruvian-drug-traffickers-829975 http://www.ibtimes.com/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-massacred-pe...
  - nandemo 14y ago
    Just to clarify: in Brazil, those "uncontacted" tribes include many (probably a majority) that have had contact with the outside world in the past. However, they currently have no ongoing contact, and the Brazilian authorities don't have enough data about them from the previous attempt at contact. In some cases, they might have had a less than pleasant experience when they were first contacted by explorers or loggers. Nowadays, while they'd be in danger should they meet illegal loggers and the like, it shouldn't be dangerous for them to contact the authorities. However, their memory from the initial encounter might have been passed on for generations. Also, as you say, the Brazilian agency in charge of documenting and protecting the Indians has a policy of not forcing contact. So those tribes can remain uncontacted indefinitely. The page below has more info. Use your favorite translator. http://mundoestranho.abril.com.br/materia/ainda-existem-tribos-de-indios-sem-contato-com-os-brancos-na-amazonia http://mundoestranho.abril.com.br/materia/ainda-existem-trib...
- showerst 14y ago
  Many of these Brazilian tribes have had some contact with loggers/miners/etc, just no formal government contact. Perhaps more interesting is the case of the Sentinelese, who live on islands in the bay of bengal, and may have had literally no spoken contact with outsiders in hundreds of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people
agumonkey 14y ago
There's a show in France called 'Rendez-vous en terres inconnues' where they get celebrities to "isolated" tribes/groups (polar ring, deep jungle, desert, etc). Paradoxically, often, their lifestyle is not grown out of ignorance or isolation, they chose it. They do interact with our societies, but don't merge. The funniest part to me was how easy it was for them to catch up with us, like using a cellphone quickly became a mundane practical thing for emergencies, nothing was really difficult as far as I could see in the videos. Their children are really drawn to the 'modern' world though. Very sad that they're blinded by shiny things and desensitized to their own treasures.
- ovi256 14y ago
  "Very sad that they're blinded by shiny things and desensitized to their own treasures." Seems to me this applies for people living in civilization, as they again and again leave it to live as noble savages. Looks a lot like "grass will always be greener on the other side".

dfxm12 14y ago

You might already know about this, but I feel like you might be interested in the people of the North Sentinel Island, some of the "last people to remain virtually untouched by modern civilization": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island

waterlesscloud 14y ago

Indeed. My grandfather used to tell me tales of his day in the Civilian Conservation Corps, building roads in the southern end of the Appalachian Mountains in the 1930s. They'd be going along clearing out land for a road and they'd come across a hollow with residents who had been isolated for decades, if not a century or more. He said they knew nothing about the world at all, though they would have basic tools from way back. Of course, that was 80 years ago now.

FredFredrickson 14y ago
Interesting little story. Did your grandfather say anything about how the people out in the wilderness reacted?
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
  In general they were mistrustful of outsiders and didn't want anything to do with them. Most of them weren't happy about the new roads (these would have been very basic dirt forest-service style roads at the time). They lived in very simple shacks, and of course had no electricity or running water. Only vaguely related, but after his time in the CCC, my grandfather became a pentacostal preacher, which he remained for the rest of his life. His first "church" was a brush arbor he built himself. Funny how different life was then. Brush arbor information: http://brusharborquarterly.com/about.html http://brusharborquarterly.com/about.html

unreal37 14y ago

There is also at least one tribe in South America that has never been contacted by the outside world. http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/brazilfootage http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/brazilfootage

will_brown 14y ago
There are a number of tribes along the Amazon who have never been contacted by the outside World, for example Brazil actively tries to identify isolated Indian tribes by fly-over but a policy to not contact them. Here is a story about drug traffickers massacring one of the documented, but uncontacted tribes: http://www.ibtimes.com/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-massacred-peruvian-drug-traffickers-829975 http://www.ibtimes.com/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-massacred-pe...
- nandemo 14y ago
  Just to clarify: in Brazil, those "uncontacted" tribes include many (probably a majority) that have had contact with the outside world in the past. However, they currently have no ongoing contact, and the Brazilian authorities don't have enough data about them from the previous attempt at contact. In some cases, they might have had a less than pleasant experience when they were first contacted by explorers or loggers. Nowadays, while they'd be in danger should they meet illegal loggers and the like, it shouldn't be dangerous for them to contact the authorities. However, their memory from the initial encounter might have been passed on for generations. Also, as you say, the Brazilian agency in charge of documenting and protecting the Indians has a policy of not forcing contact. So those tribes can remain uncontacted indefinitely. The page below has more info. Use your favorite translator. http://mundoestranho.abril.com.br/materia/ainda-existem-tribos-de-indios-sem-contato-com-os-brancos-na-amazonia http://mundoestranho.abril.com.br/materia/ainda-existem-trib...
showerst 14y ago
Many of these Brazilian tribes have had some contact with loggers/miners/etc, just no formal government contact. Perhaps more interesting is the case of the Sentinelese, who live on islands in the bay of bengal, and may have had literally no spoken contact with outsiders in hundreds of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people

agumonkey 14y ago

There's a show in France called 'Rendez-vous en terres inconnues' where they get celebrities to "isolated" tribes/groups (polar ring, deep jungle, desert, etc). Paradoxically, often, their lifestyle is not grown out of ignorance or isolation, they chose it. They do interact with our societies, but don't merge. The funniest part to me was how easy it was for them to catch up with us, like using a cellphone quickly became a mundane practical thing for emergencies, nothing was really difficult as far as I could see in the videos. Their children are really drawn to the 'modern' world though. Very sad that they're blinded by shiny things and desensitized to their own treasures.

ovi256 14y ago
"Very sad that they're blinded by shiny things and desensitized to their own treasures." Seems to me this applies for people living in civilization, as they again and again leave it to live as noble savages. Looks a lot like "grass will always be greener on the other side".