8 ms·

That seems pretty unrealistic. No developed country would use drones to kill people based solely on accusation, forgoing their right to a fair trial.

by JakeSc 14y ago

sesqu 14y ago
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. If not, you may want to read up on prominent cases like Anwar al-Awlaki's assassination.
- JakeSc 14y ago
  Perhaps it was inappropriate for HN, but I was absolutely being sarcastic. Thanks for pointing this out for others anyway. I'm sickened by these "targeted assassinations", regardless of how effective they are at protecting our Homeland.
biot 14y ago
> No developed country would ... [forego] their right to a fair trial. My sarcasm detector is returning a superposition of both 0 and 1 with your comment. It must have something to do with the quantanumo uncertainty principle.
- JulianMorrison 14y ago
  Since there won't be a trial, that superposition could continue indefinitely.
JulianMorrison 14y ago
Well, to be fair, it is mildly unrealistic they'd target voters. Or at least, their voters.
- waps 14y ago
  1) the EU commission, the only EU institution with real lawgiving and executive power, is not elected (they are hand-picked by foreign ministers of EU nations, which are hand-picked by indirectly elected parliaments) 2) Jose Manuel Barrosso is an ex-communist (ex-Maoist to be exact). His style of government, shall we say, "reflects this". 3) You only have to visit Brussels and ask about the many CD signs on the road, or talk to a few people working for the EU and ask about "fonctionnaires" to hear exactly how responsible they feel towards their voters.
  - DeepDuh 14y ago
    Your first point is what I keep asking pro EU people here in Europe about and for which I never get a satisfying answer on why this is acceptable. This and the cluelessness of their lawmakers when it comes to tech makes me thank the higher entity every day for not being an EU citizen (since I'm Swiss).
    - JulianMorrison 14y ago
      Basically at the beginning, the EU was an inter-governmental construct (like NATO or the UN). It has grown into something more government-like, but those with power in the existing inter-governmental institutions don't want to give it up.
    - rbehrends 14y ago
      Actually, the European Commission is elected by the European Parliament (after having been proposed by the European Council), which is directly elected by the citizens of the member states. From article 17 (7) of the Consolidated Version of the Treaty on European Union: "Taking into account the elections to the European Parliament and after having held the appropriate consultations, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall propose to the European Parliament a candidate for President of the Commission. This candidate shall be elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members. If he does not obtain the required majority, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall within one month propose a new candidate who shall be elected by the European Parliament following the same procedure." This is not at all different from how the British Prime Minister or the German Chancellor are elected; in fact, the British Prime Minister is technically not even elected; the requirement to have majority support in the House of Commons is implicit when he or she is appointed by the monarch. The European Parliament can also force the EC to resign via a motion of censure (though that requires a 2/3 majority), which is what happened to the Santer Commission [1]. From article 17 (8): "The Commission, as a body, shall be responsible to the European Parliament. In accordance with Article 234 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, the European Parliament may vote on a motion of censure of the Commission. If such a motion is carried, the members of the Commission shall resign as a body and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign from the duties that he carries out in the Commission." While there are plenty of issues with the functioning of the EU, it is simply not the case that the EC is not elected. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission#Resignation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission#Resignation
- DannyBee 14y ago
  Why? Less voters + money = more certainty ;)
antoinevg 14y ago
May I suggest you use <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags?

That seems pretty unrealistic. No developed country would use drones to kill people based solely on accusation, forgoing their right to a fair trial.

by JakeSc 14y ago

That seems pretty unrealistic. No developed country would use drones to kill people based solely on accusation, forgoing their right to a fair trial.

sesqu 14y ago

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. If not, you may want to read up on prominent cases like Anwar al-Awlaki's assassination.

JakeSc 14y ago
Perhaps it was inappropriate for HN, but I was absolutely being sarcastic. Thanks for pointing this out for others anyway. I'm sickened by these "targeted assassinations", regardless of how effective they are at protecting our Homeland.

biot 14y ago

> No developed country would ... [forego] their right to a fair trial. My sarcasm detector is returning a superposition of both 0 and 1 with your comment. It must have something to do with the quantanumo uncertainty principle.

JulianMorrison 14y ago
Since there won't be a trial, that superposition could continue indefinitely.

JulianMorrison 14y ago

Well, to be fair, it is mildly unrealistic they'd target voters. Or at least, their voters.

waps 14y ago
1) the EU commission, the only EU institution with real lawgiving and executive power, is not elected (they are hand-picked by foreign ministers of EU nations, which are hand-picked by indirectly elected parliaments) 2) Jose Manuel Barrosso is an ex-communist (ex-Maoist to be exact). His style of government, shall we say, "reflects this". 3) You only have to visit Brussels and ask about the many CD signs on the road, or talk to a few people working for the EU and ask about "fonctionnaires" to hear exactly how responsible they feel towards their voters.
- DeepDuh 14y ago
  Your first point is what I keep asking pro EU people here in Europe about and for which I never get a satisfying answer on why this is acceptable. This and the cluelessness of their lawmakers when it comes to tech makes me thank the higher entity every day for not being an EU citizen (since I'm Swiss).
  - JulianMorrison 14y ago
    Basically at the beginning, the EU was an inter-governmental construct (like NATO or the UN). It has grown into something more government-like, but those with power in the existing inter-governmental institutions don't want to give it up.
  - rbehrends 14y ago
    Actually, the European Commission is elected by the European Parliament (after having been proposed by the European Council), which is directly elected by the citizens of the member states. From article 17 (7) of the Consolidated Version of the Treaty on European Union: "Taking into account the elections to the European Parliament and after having held the appropriate consultations, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall propose to the European Parliament a candidate for President of the Commission. This candidate shall be elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members. If he does not obtain the required majority, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall within one month propose a new candidate who shall be elected by the European Parliament following the same procedure." This is not at all different from how the British Prime Minister or the German Chancellor are elected; in fact, the British Prime Minister is technically not even elected; the requirement to have majority support in the House of Commons is implicit when he or she is appointed by the monarch. The European Parliament can also force the EC to resign via a motion of censure (though that requires a 2/3 majority), which is what happened to the Santer Commission [1]. From article 17 (8): "The Commission, as a body, shall be responsible to the European Parliament. In accordance with Article 234 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, the European Parliament may vote on a motion of censure of the Commission. If such a motion is carried, the members of the Commission shall resign as a body and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign from the duties that he carries out in the Commission." While there are plenty of issues with the functioning of the EU, it is simply not the case that the EC is not elected. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission#Resignation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission#Resignation
DannyBee 14y ago
Why? Less voters + money = more certainty ;)

antoinevg 14y ago

May I suggest you use <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags?