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Did you even read the article? This has nothing to do with the EU. The US can obtain data from persons that are not US citizens without a warrant, if this data

by gst 14y ago

Did you even read the article? This has nothing to do with the EU. The US can obtain data from persons that are not US citizens without a warrant, if this data is stored on servers of US companies. If the EU doesn't agree with this, it would be better to create an economic environment that facilitates EU-based tech companies, instead of having its citizens depend on US companies.

spdy 14y ago
So the solution for the problem "seizing data from cloud service providers without a warrent" is to blame the EU why they dont build some tec companies that can hop in here? Following your argument we should have EU and US services only? We could even turn this around to "The EU can now seize data from US citizen from companies that operate in the EU." Seizing data without a warrent is always wrong and can never be right regardles of citizenship to any country. Simple example the EU seizes data from US citizen and the US from EU citizen and then they just create an "foreign information exchange database" nobody knows about. Because we have to fight terrorism. This is the right way to go.
ithkuil 14y ago
I think is more complicated than that. Countries have privacy laws that are regulate how personal data has to be held. These laws are mandatory for any company operating on EU soil for instance, including american companies like google or amazon having EU datacenters. Now, it might seem ok for you that the US government can obtain the personal data stating that, since these are US companies indeed; but the condition they had for operating in foreign countries was to abide to their laws, including the privacy laws. Thus, a solution could be for these US companies to close their business in europe; that would help creating an economic environment that facilitates EU-based tech companies... (though that not the world I'd like to live in...) Or, putting it other words: the US should create a better legislative environment that facilitates US tech companies to continue to be successful world wide.
mariuolo 14y ago
Problem is the data would be supplied even if it was stored on servers situated in the EU.

by gst 14y ago

spdy 14y ago

So the solution for the problem "seizing data from cloud service providers without a warrent" is to blame the EU why they dont build some tec companies that can hop in here? Following your argument we should have EU and US services only? We could even turn this around to "The EU can now seize data from US citizen from companies that operate in the EU." Seizing data without a warrent is always wrong and can never be right regardles of citizenship to any country. Simple example the EU seizes data from US citizen and the US from EU citizen and then they just create an "foreign information exchange database" nobody knows about. Because we have to fight terrorism. This is the right way to go.

ithkuil 14y ago

I think is more complicated than that. Countries have privacy laws that are regulate how personal data has to be held. These laws are mandatory for any company operating on EU soil for instance, including american companies like google or amazon having EU datacenters. Now, it might seem ok for you that the US government can obtain the personal data stating that, since these are US companies indeed; but the condition they had for operating in foreign countries was to abide to their laws, including the privacy laws. Thus, a solution could be for these US companies to close their business in europe; that would help creating an economic environment that facilitates EU-based tech companies... (though that not the world I'd like to live in...) Or, putting it other words: the US should create a better legislative environment that facilitates US tech companies to continue to be successful world wide.

mariuolo 14y ago

Problem is the data would be supplied even if it was stored on servers situated in the EU.