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Prohibiting alcohol would require an amendment to the constitution.

by KC8ZKF 14y ago

AnthonyMouse 14y ago
Under exactly the same logic so would prohibiting cocaine. Realize that the Supreme Court has interpreted the federal government's constitutional powers much more broadly in the decades since prohibition.
dllthomas 14y ago
I don't see why. Yes, it was done that way last time; but we currently prohibit substances at the national level, that has been upheld by the Supreme Court, and I don't see any reason at all that should work differently than for alcohol. If I'm missing something, please elucidate.
- pstuart 14y ago
  It is being done at the national level by the DEA. They are judge, jury, and executioner.
  - dllthomas 14y ago
    ... are you saying that the DEA currently enforces alcohol prohibition, or did you missread what I said?
    - pstuart 14y ago
      I was referring to other drugs, specifically cannabis. This petition was in direct response to the DEA's recent refusal to remove it from Schedule I status. This keeps it in the same class of drugs as heroin and cocaine.
      - eurleif 14y ago
        And a more severe class than meth. Meth has medical uses, you see.
      - dllthomas 14y ago
        Yes, that was precisely my point: we are currently doing it for other substances, no reason I see we couldn't include alcohol. Plenty of reason we shouldn't, of course, but I think most people here agree those reasons apply to things we're currently banning, which is the thrust of the whole discussion.
axiak 14y ago
Not necessarily. Read the 21st amendment. It mostly repeals the 18th and clarifies that laws can be made to regulate alcohol use. The petition is to control alcohol under the Controlled Substances Act.
Sidnicious 14y ago
Would it? The 21st amendment only repeals the 18th, it doesn't explicitly legalize alcohol (I'm no constitutional scholar so clarification is welcome.)
pstuart 14y ago
It did require an amendment (the 18th, as cited in the petition). It is the only amendment ever repealed. It was an abject failure. This is not about "letting people get loaded". That will always happen. This is about taking away what could be considered the primary tool of tyranny by the State. Now the War on Terror is edging it out for first place.

Prohibiting alcohol would require an amendment to the constitution.

by KC8ZKF 14y ago

Prohibiting alcohol would require an amendment to the constitution.

Under exactly the same logic so would prohibiting cocaine. Realize that the Supreme Court has interpreted the federal government's constitutional powers much more broadly in the decades since prohibition.

dllthomas 14y ago

I don't see why. Yes, it was done that way last time; but we currently prohibit substances at the national level, that has been upheld by the Supreme Court, and I don't see any reason at all that should work differently than for alcohol. If I'm missing something, please elucidate.

pstuart 14y ago
It is being done at the national level by the DEA. They are judge, jury, and executioner.
- dllthomas 14y ago
  ... are you saying that the DEA currently enforces alcohol prohibition, or did you missread what I said?
  - pstuart 14y ago
    I was referring to other drugs, specifically cannabis. This petition was in direct response to the DEA's recent refusal to remove it from Schedule I status. This keeps it in the same class of drugs as heroin and cocaine.
    - eurleif 14y ago
      And a more severe class than meth. Meth has medical uses, you see.
    - dllthomas 14y ago
      Yes, that was precisely my point: we are currently doing it for other substances, no reason I see we couldn't include alcohol. Plenty of reason we shouldn't, of course, but I think most people here agree those reasons apply to things we're currently banning, which is the thrust of the whole discussion.

axiak 14y ago

Not necessarily. Read the 21st amendment. It mostly repeals the 18th and clarifies that laws can be made to regulate alcohol use. The petition is to control alcohol under the Controlled Substances Act.

Sidnicious 14y ago

Would it? The 21st amendment only repeals the 18th, it doesn't explicitly legalize alcohol (I'm no constitutional scholar so clarification is welcome.)

pstuart 14y ago

It did require an amendment (the 18th, as cited in the petition). It is the only amendment ever repealed. It was an abject failure. This is not about "letting people get loaded". That will always happen. This is about taking away what could be considered the primary tool of tyranny by the State. Now the War on Terror is edging it out for first place.