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"Linux"? If only there were some name you could call all those systems with shells and things. (And within that spectrum, from a all-over system perspective, i

by mhd 14y ago

"Linux"? If only there were some name you could call all those systems with shells and things. (And within that spectrum, from a all-over system perspective, i.e. not just GUI frippery, I'd rate OS X at about the same level as HP/UX. Maybe.)

jrockway 14y ago
I think he's saying that he replaced Ubuntu 12.04 with OS X. Now he's using the same software, but the command-line tools have fewer features and it costs more money. (VLC, Transmission, Chrome + Flash, etc. all work fine on Linux. If you must use Safari, though, OS X is probably the platform of choice. Also, if you have "minimalism concerns" you probably have some goal other than using your computer to be maximally productive.)
- pretoriusB 14y ago
  >I think he's saying that he replaced Ubuntu 12.04 with OS X. Now he's using the same software, but the command-line tools have fewer features and it costs more money. Right, because all you use your desktop computer for is command-line tools. Or because using Brew, MacPorts et al to upgrade all command-line tools (if one wants, since most of the newer "features" are things you'd use once in a blue moon if you're lucky anyway) is very difficult. (Not to mention that lots of people don't do any work on their Desktop/Laptop's command line itself anyway, even in Linux, but in some remote system or a virtual machine...) >Also, if you have "minimalism concerns" you probably have some goal other than using your computer to be maximally productive. Except if, crazy I know, this "minimalist" thing actually helps you with being maximally productive, instead of being some guy spending his days tinkering with insignificant stuff and getting various bits to work together deluding himself he is achieving something... >If you must use Safari, though, OS X is probably the platform of choice. Or if you also want multimedia to work as GOD intended or do any work with them. Or if you want to run essential for tons of people proprietary applications not available for Linux, from the Creative Suite to Autocad to whatever...
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pretoriusB 14y ago
Having a Desktop that works 99% of the time, and isn't made by amateur hour volunteers that either let things stagnate for ages (GTK+), or change their ideas every second month (from UI direction to media framework), is not "GUI frippery". Except if you spend all your time buried in the command line to begin with. The only bad things about OS X are due to the proprietary and closed nature of some of the components (and the older versions used for some unix userland stuff). Implementation and experience wise, the whole desktop is miles ahead of Gnome/KDE. Even Miguel De Icaza agrees, and he's the one of the handful who bloody started "Desktop Linux".
- Gigablah 14y ago
  As a MBP owner, I'm hard pressed to find anything more frustrating to use than the OSX Finder.
  - pretoriusB 14y ago
    Any specific problem with it? A lot of people complain about the Finder because other people do so. I've used Unices since Sun OS days. I've used Linux for 15 years (from RedHat 5 and Mandrake to Ubuntu 12.04). I've used Windows for 6 years. I've used Macs for 8 years. What exactly is the problem with the Finder compared to what's offered on the other platforms? Specific, measurable, gripes. Not "it feels slow" junk.
    - Gigablah 14y ago
      No cut and paste, no treeview. There's probably more, but I mostly just use the terminal nowadays.
tshadwell 14y ago
Well, macOS, HP/UX and Linux based operating systems are all UNIX-like operating systems.

by mhd 14y ago

jrockway 14y ago

I think he's saying that he replaced Ubuntu 12.04 with OS X. Now he's using the same software, but the command-line tools have fewer features and it costs more money. (VLC, Transmission, Chrome + Flash, etc. all work fine on Linux. If you must use Safari, though, OS X is probably the platform of choice. Also, if you have "minimalism concerns" you probably have some goal other than using your computer to be maximally productive.)

pretoriusB 14y ago
>I think he's saying that he replaced Ubuntu 12.04 with OS X. Now he's using the same software, but the command-line tools have fewer features and it costs more money. Right, because all you use your desktop computer for is command-line tools. Or because using Brew, MacPorts et al to upgrade all command-line tools (if one wants, since most of the newer "features" are things you'd use once in a blue moon if you're lucky anyway) is very difficult. (Not to mention that lots of people don't do any work on their Desktop/Laptop's command line itself anyway, even in Linux, but in some remote system or a virtual machine...) >Also, if you have "minimalism concerns" you probably have some goal other than using your computer to be maximally productive. Except if, crazy I know, this "minimalist" thing actually helps you with being maximally productive, instead of being some guy spending his days tinkering with insignificant stuff and getting various bits to work together deluding himself he is achieving something... >If you must use Safari, though, OS X is probably the platform of choice. Or if you also want multimedia to work as GOD intended or do any work with them. Or if you want to run essential for tons of people proprietary applications not available for Linux, from the Creative Suite to Autocad to whatever...
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pretoriusB 14y ago

Having a Desktop that works 99% of the time, and isn't made by amateur hour volunteers that either let things stagnate for ages (GTK+), or change their ideas every second month (from UI direction to media framework), is not "GUI frippery". Except if you spend all your time buried in the command line to begin with. The only bad things about OS X are due to the proprietary and closed nature of some of the components (and the older versions used for some unix userland stuff). Implementation and experience wise, the whole desktop is miles ahead of Gnome/KDE. Even Miguel De Icaza agrees, and he's the one of the handful who bloody started "Desktop Linux".

Gigablah 14y ago
As a MBP owner, I'm hard pressed to find anything more frustrating to use than the OSX Finder.
- pretoriusB 14y ago
  Any specific problem with it? A lot of people complain about the Finder because other people do so. I've used Unices since Sun OS days. I've used Linux for 15 years (from RedHat 5 and Mandrake to Ubuntu 12.04). I've used Windows for 6 years. I've used Macs for 8 years. What exactly is the problem with the Finder compared to what's offered on the other platforms? Specific, measurable, gripes. Not "it feels slow" junk.
  - Gigablah 14y ago
    No cut and paste, no treeview. There's probably more, but I mostly just use the terminal nowadays.

tshadwell 14y ago

Well, macOS, HP/UX and Linux based operating systems are all UNIX-like operating systems.