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Ask Bradley Manning how that whistleblowing thing works out. I think it's important to realise doing things like that, whether ultimately for the good or the ba

Ask Bradley Manning how that whistleblowing thing works out. I think it's important to realise doing things like that, whether ultimately for the good or the bad, comes at a huge personal risk.

codesuela 14y ago
To be fair Bradley Manning was prosecuted because he bonded (they had very long chats) with the guy who was supposed to relay that information. If you read the chat transcripts you can tell that Manning was very troubled at the time and wanted someone to talk to. IMHO this does not necessarily apply to someone who works at the DOJ and uses an anonymous channel to submit confidential documents to e.g. Cryptome
analog 14y ago
It worked out with the Arab Spring didn't it? "Manning and WikiLeaks were credited as catalysts for the Arab Spring that began in December 2010, when waves of protesters rose up against rulers across the Middle East and North Africa after the leaked cables exposed government corruption" [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning
- eaurouge 14y ago
  Manning and WikiLeaks may have been credited by some as catalysts for the Arab Spring, but they were not. Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation was the catalyst for the Arab Spring. It's not as if Tunisians needed anyone to tell them how corrupt their government was. Once Tunisia looked like it might fall, revolutionaries in other countries started planning their own protests.
  - analog 14y ago
    Have you got any references refuting this claim then. "but they were not" just isn't that convincing on it's own.
  - analog 14y ago
    Amnesty International are one of the organisations that credit Wikileaks as being a catalyst for the Arab Spring. "One example highlighted by Shetty was Tunisia, where WikiLeaks revelations about Ben Ali's corrupt regime combined with rapidly-spreading news of the self-immolation of a disillusioned young man, Mohamed Bouazizi, to spark major protests." [1] [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-international-wikileaks-arab-spring http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-internat...
  - rosser 14y ago
    Preamble: I'm not saying anything one way or another about who or what was or wasn't causal to the Arab Spring movements. That said, you really need to learn the difference between proximal and ultimate causes.

Ask Bradley Manning how that whistleblowing thing works out. I think it's important to realise doing things like that, whether ultimately for the good or the bad, comes at a huge personal risk.

codesuela 14y ago

To be fair Bradley Manning was prosecuted because he bonded (they had very long chats) with the guy who was supposed to relay that information. If you read the chat transcripts you can tell that Manning was very troubled at the time and wanted someone to talk to. IMHO this does not necessarily apply to someone who works at the DOJ and uses an anonymous channel to submit confidential documents to e.g. Cryptome

analog 14y ago

It worked out with the Arab Spring didn't it? "Manning and WikiLeaks were credited as catalysts for the Arab Spring that began in December 2010, when waves of protesters rose up against rulers across the Middle East and North Africa after the leaked cables exposed government corruption" [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

eaurouge 14y ago
Manning and WikiLeaks may have been credited by some as catalysts for the Arab Spring, but they were not. Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation was the catalyst for the Arab Spring. It's not as if Tunisians needed anyone to tell them how corrupt their government was. Once Tunisia looked like it might fall, revolutionaries in other countries started planning their own protests.
- analog 14y ago
  Have you got any references refuting this claim then. "but they were not" just isn't that convincing on it's own.
- analog 14y ago
  Amnesty International are one of the organisations that credit Wikileaks as being a catalyst for the Arab Spring. "One example highlighted by Shetty was Tunisia, where WikiLeaks revelations about Ben Ali's corrupt regime combined with rapidly-spreading news of the self-immolation of a disillusioned young man, Mohamed Bouazizi, to spark major protests." [1] [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-international-wikileaks-arab-spring http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-internat...
- rosser 14y ago
  Preamble: I'm not saying anything one way or another about who or what was or wasn't causal to the Arab Spring movements. That said, you really need to learn the difference between proximal and ultimate causes.