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To be fair, any of those ideas could produce a great startup with the right team behind it… That's the thing, the idea alone is pretty much meaningless one way

To be fair, any of those ideas could produce a great startup with the right team behind it… That's the thing, the idea alone is pretty much meaningless one way or another.

droidist2 14y ago
I hear people say this often and never quite understood it. The idea is very important. Having a bad idea vs. a good idea is like the difference between trying to sell snow to an Eskimo and trying to sell a glass of water to a man dying of thirst. Given the right salesperson, both can be theoretically done and both can be screwed up, but that doesn't mean that execution is everything.
- hayksaakian 14y ago
  He means that execution is more powerful in general. If you can sell snow to an Eskimo, imagine what you could do with a good idea.
  - droidist2 14y ago
    Absolutely, you need both. I'm not sure how to quantify which one is more powerful or important, especially since "idea" can mean many things, from a very vague concept to a fully fleshed out and vetted business plan. I was just taking issue with the "ideas are worth nothing, execution is everything" mantra.
    - mion 14y ago
      Let me quote Derek Sivers: "To me, ideas are worth nothing unless executed. They are just a multiplier. Execution is worth millions." http://sivers.org/multiply http://sivers.org/multiply
      - thoughtcriminal 14y ago
        That should go without saying though. I think a better way of asking the question is "what's better: a brilliant idea executed so-so or a so-so idea executed brilliantly?" That to me is a more interesting and logical question.
    - koide 14y ago
      A fully fleshed out and vetted business plan has long left the idea building...
- natejenkins 14y ago
  While there are clearly bad ideas, Facebook for robots is probably one, there are lots and lots of great ideas. I always tell people my 'real' startup idea is time travel, but I'm still working on the implementation. Often these great ideas are hard. PG has an essay on this (http://paulgraham.com/ambitious.html http://paulgraham.com/ambitious.html). Better search is a clear example. Google is amazing, but it isn't perfect. Yet being better than google is really, really hard. I think one of the tricks of being a founder is to pick the greatest idea that you are capable of implementing, with the caveat being that picking something that you are capable of implementing right now is probably too conservative.
ThomPete 14y ago
If execution is all that matters, your idea isn't good enough :) Ideas are very important. 1. Without an idea there is nothing to execute on. 2. Depending on how much you believe in the idea it is what will give you the stamina to continue no matter what obstacles you will meet. (This can some times be a problem, but often and advantage) 3. Without and idea there is nothing to validate against. I don't know about you but in design I always found it a lot more effective to have an idea before i start designing instead of just make it up as I go.

To be fair, any of those ideas could produce a great startup with the right team behind it… That's the thing, the idea alone is pretty much meaningless one way or another.

droidist2 14y ago

I hear people say this often and never quite understood it. The idea is very important. Having a bad idea vs. a good idea is like the difference between trying to sell snow to an Eskimo and trying to sell a glass of water to a man dying of thirst. Given the right salesperson, both can be theoretically done and both can be screwed up, but that doesn't mean that execution is everything.

hayksaakian 14y ago
He means that execution is more powerful in general. If you can sell snow to an Eskimo, imagine what you could do with a good idea.
- droidist2 14y ago
  Absolutely, you need both. I'm not sure how to quantify which one is more powerful or important, especially since "idea" can mean many things, from a very vague concept to a fully fleshed out and vetted business plan. I was just taking issue with the "ideas are worth nothing, execution is everything" mantra.
  - mion 14y ago
    Let me quote Derek Sivers: "To me, ideas are worth nothing unless executed. They are just a multiplier. Execution is worth millions." http://sivers.org/multiply http://sivers.org/multiply
    - thoughtcriminal 14y ago
      That should go without saying though. I think a better way of asking the question is "what's better: a brilliant idea executed so-so or a so-so idea executed brilliantly?" That to me is a more interesting and logical question.
  - koide 14y ago
    A fully fleshed out and vetted business plan has long left the idea building...
natejenkins 14y ago
While there are clearly bad ideas, Facebook for robots is probably one, there are lots and lots of great ideas. I always tell people my 'real' startup idea is time travel, but I'm still working on the implementation. Often these great ideas are hard. PG has an essay on this (http://paulgraham.com/ambitious.html http://paulgraham.com/ambitious.html). Better search is a clear example. Google is amazing, but it isn't perfect. Yet being better than google is really, really hard. I think one of the tricks of being a founder is to pick the greatest idea that you are capable of implementing, with the caveat being that picking something that you are capable of implementing right now is probably too conservative.

ThomPete 14y ago

If execution is all that matters, your idea isn't good enough :) Ideas are very important. 1. Without an idea there is nothing to execute on. 2. Depending on how much you believe in the idea it is what will give you the stamina to continue no matter what obstacles you will meet. (This can some times be a problem, but often and advantage) 3. Without and idea there is nothing to validate against. I don't know about you but in design I always found it a lot more effective to have an idea before i start designing instead of just make it up as I go.