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What if the attacker has a gun/pepper spray?... Not to mention that many women state their bodies just shut down like they weren't even there, even if they had

by matt_ 14y ago

What if the attacker has a gun/pepper spray?... Not to mention that many women state their bodies just shut down like they weren't even there, even if they had a way out/way to defend themselves.

cobrausn 14y ago
And many women recall every horrific detail. Seriously, you sound like you are advocating that any potential rape victim should just shut up and take it. My guess is it would be because your (already stupidly safe) life would be a bit safer without (legal) weapons around. My wife, for what it's worth, will put a bullet in a rapist and not think twice. I told her to put more than one. If that seems 'crass' or 'tacky' or 'unenlightened' or whatever else to anyone here, I really don't care. It's not your body and life we're talking about here, and it's not like she has the ability to fend off a motivated 200+ pound attacker without one.
- matt_ 14y ago
  No. I'm not. I'm advocating that telling a rape victim that she could have/should have done more to defend herself is stupid and disgusting. I'm fucking thrilled if your wife has the capacity to do that. That's great. I really fucking hope she does. Thinking that every woman can do that, or that it would be possible in every situation (or even most) is absurd.
  - cobrausn 14y ago
    Of course it's not possible to arm every potential rape victim and say "now it's on you!". But it's either something you choose to do, or something you don't. You don't tell them what they should have done to prevent it. But when someone does prevent it, do you tell them they shouldn't have had the ability to?
  - philwelch 14y ago
    Not every discussion of self-defense is an exercise in blaming the victim. Hopefully, it's an exercise in stopping people from becoming victims in the first place. And I think you're selling women short in terms of what they're capable of. Casting women as helpless victims isn't helpful either.
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by matt_ 14y ago

What if the attacker has a gun/pepper spray?... Not to mention that many women state their bodies just shut down like they weren't even there, even if they had a way out/way to defend themselves.

cobrausn 14y ago

And many women recall every horrific detail. Seriously, you sound like you are advocating that any potential rape victim should just shut up and take it. My guess is it would be because your (already stupidly safe) life would be a bit safer without (legal) weapons around. My wife, for what it's worth, will put a bullet in a rapist and not think twice. I told her to put more than one. If that seems 'crass' or 'tacky' or 'unenlightened' or whatever else to anyone here, I really don't care. It's not your body and life we're talking about here, and it's not like she has the ability to fend off a motivated 200+ pound attacker without one.

matt_ 14y ago
No. I'm not. I'm advocating that telling a rape victim that she could have/should have done more to defend herself is stupid and disgusting. I'm fucking thrilled if your wife has the capacity to do that. That's great. I really fucking hope she does. Thinking that every woman can do that, or that it would be possible in every situation (or even most) is absurd.
- cobrausn 14y ago
  Of course it's not possible to arm every potential rape victim and say "now it's on you!". But it's either something you choose to do, or something you don't. You don't tell them what they should have done to prevent it. But when someone does prevent it, do you tell them they shouldn't have had the ability to?
- philwelch 14y ago
  Not every discussion of self-defense is an exercise in blaming the victim. Hopefully, it's an exercise in stopping people from becoming victims in the first place. And I think you're selling women short in terms of what they're capable of. Casting women as helpless victims isn't helpful either.
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