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A gun? Pepper Spray? You have no idea how the rapist will react to that. By screaming in pain and flopping on the ground, one would hope. And someone shouldn'

A gun? Pepper Spray? You have no idea how the rapist will react to that. By screaming in pain and flopping on the ground, one would hope. And someone shouldn't have to have the burden of ending another human's life just to not be attacked. Well sure, but given the choice of injuring / killing an attacker, or being attacked, what do you think most people would pick? What would you pick?

matt_ 14y ago
What if the attacker has a gun/pepper spray?... Not to mention that many women state their bodies just shut down like they weren't even there, even if they had a way out/way to defend themselves.
- cobrausn 14y ago
  And many women recall every horrific detail. Seriously, you sound like you are advocating that any potential rape victim should just shut up and take it. My guess is it would be because your (already stupidly safe) life would be a bit safer without (legal) weapons around. My wife, for what it's worth, will put a bullet in a rapist and not think twice. I told her to put more than one. If that seems 'crass' or 'tacky' or 'unenlightened' or whatever else to anyone here, I really don't care. It's not your body and life we're talking about here, and it's not like she has the ability to fend off a motivated 200+ pound attacker without one.
  - matt_ 14y ago
    No. I'm not. I'm advocating that telling a rape victim that she could have/should have done more to defend herself is stupid and disgusting. I'm fucking thrilled if your wife has the capacity to do that. That's great. I really fucking hope she does. Thinking that every woman can do that, or that it would be possible in every situation (or even most) is absurd.
    - cobrausn 14y ago
      Of course it's not possible to arm every potential rape victim and say "now it's on you!". But it's either something you choose to do, or something you don't. You don't tell them what they should have done to prevent it. But when someone does prevent it, do you tell them they shouldn't have had the ability to?
    - philwelch 14y ago
      Not every discussion of self-defense is an exercise in blaming the victim. Hopefully, it's an exercise in stopping people from becoming victims in the first place. And I think you're selling women short in terms of what they're capable of. Casting women as helpless victims isn't helpful either.
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antihero 14y ago
I dunno, with rape then ending their life, but if it was something like a mugging, I'd prefer to part with my shiny phone and get punched in the face than end another human's live. And if everyone carried guns, too many people would end up finding this out the hard way.
- theorique 14y ago
  Perhaps I am more brutal than most. But if a person threatens me with potential violence to take my phone or wallet, then their life is the least of my concerns - it's essentially forfeit. Are they going to stab me after they steal my stuff? Are they going to put me in a car and take me to another location? When violence is threatened, you simply don't know where it's going to lead. I'd rather err on the side of caution which is why I support CCP / LTC for responsible and law-abiding citizens.

matt_ 14y ago

What if the attacker has a gun/pepper spray?... Not to mention that many women state their bodies just shut down like they weren't even there, even if they had a way out/way to defend themselves.

cobrausn 14y ago
And many women recall every horrific detail. Seriously, you sound like you are advocating that any potential rape victim should just shut up and take it. My guess is it would be because your (already stupidly safe) life would be a bit safer without (legal) weapons around. My wife, for what it's worth, will put a bullet in a rapist and not think twice. I told her to put more than one. If that seems 'crass' or 'tacky' or 'unenlightened' or whatever else to anyone here, I really don't care. It's not your body and life we're talking about here, and it's not like she has the ability to fend off a motivated 200+ pound attacker without one.
- matt_ 14y ago
  No. I'm not. I'm advocating that telling a rape victim that she could have/should have done more to defend herself is stupid and disgusting. I'm fucking thrilled if your wife has the capacity to do that. That's great. I really fucking hope she does. Thinking that every woman can do that, or that it would be possible in every situation (or even most) is absurd.
  - cobrausn 14y ago
    Of course it's not possible to arm every potential rape victim and say "now it's on you!". But it's either something you choose to do, or something you don't. You don't tell them what they should have done to prevent it. But when someone does prevent it, do you tell them they shouldn't have had the ability to?
  - philwelch 14y ago
    Not every discussion of self-defense is an exercise in blaming the victim. Hopefully, it's an exercise in stopping people from becoming victims in the first place. And I think you're selling women short in terms of what they're capable of. Casting women as helpless victims isn't helpful either.
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antihero 14y ago

I dunno, with rape then ending their life, but if it was something like a mugging, I'd prefer to part with my shiny phone and get punched in the face than end another human's live. And if everyone carried guns, too many people would end up finding this out the hard way.

theorique 14y ago
Perhaps I am more brutal than most. But if a person threatens me with potential violence to take my phone or wallet, then their life is the least of my concerns - it's essentially forfeit. Are they going to stab me after they steal my stuff? Are they going to put me in a car and take me to another location? When violence is threatened, you simply don't know where it's going to lead. I'd rather err on the side of caution which is why I support CCP / LTC for responsible and law-abiding citizens.