Exactly what I meant, yes. There are a lot of places Java has succeeded, but being a framework to write and run desktop applications for the mass-market end-use

Exactly what I meant, yes. There are a lot of places Java has succeeded, but being a framework to write and run desktop applications for the mass-market end-user consumer (a task which it was once positioned to excel at) was not one of them. And all it took was a little user-focus and design work. Never happened. Very shortsighted IMHO, but I also believe it was not possible at Sun or Oracle. Just not in their nature.