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JS is #1, and JQuery is #3. That's a runaway win by the JavaScript stack.

by B-Con 14y ago

JonoW 14y ago
To be fair, positions 1, 2 and 3 (JavaScript, SQL, jQuery) are "common" languages in that most web developers use/need them in addition to their core server language/framework (apart from node.js of course).
ajross 14y ago
Note that the "win" is less about language-vs-language and more about environment. Fifteen years ago, you saw Java score a similar rapid "win" over C++, which is gave up more slowly to C# over the following decade. What this really shows is that (1) most programming is "IT" programming (i.e. focused development for specific businesses), (2) most IT programming is user-focused, and (3) we've seen a rapid shift in the customer's preferred UI environment. Java was a revelation for people developing client software in the 90's. It was faster and easier, and in many cases could be deployed over the web. Its later wins on the server backend (which came more slowly) were driven by the client side. And Javascript is taking that mantle, driven by the mobile world. Yes, you could still develop a Windows client app, but it won't work on your employees iPhones and Galaxy S3's. So you deploy a web app instead. And thus you use Javascript.
- martinced 14y ago
  I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Business / or "IT" as you call often has DB + server-side + client-side. The server-side has been taken over mostly everywhere by either Java or its younger cousin C# and you go to any big company and you'll find one of these two languages heavily used. What is changing now is that people / employees have realized that it's convenient to be able to use any browser, from any device (desktop / laptop / tablet / smartphone), from any OS (iOS, Linux / Android, OS X, Windows) on the client-side. And the one indisputed king inside the browser to code the client-side is JavaScript. IMHO It's not exactly as if monothreaded JavaScript engines are going to displace server-side Java / C# anytime soon. Webapps are accessed from clients using JavaScript. But Webapps themselves, at least for many "enterprisey" stuff are very often coded in Java or C# (or at least virtually always in languages targetting either the JVM or .Net).
  - ajross 14y ago
    I don't think we actually disagree. Backend language choices have always shown more diversity, and will continue to do so. But still, the number of lines of code and developer hours dedicated to these applications is dominated by the front end. With very few exceptions, UI apps have always been "heavier" than the data engines behind them. So even though C# won't be going away any time soon, it still shows well below Javascript in terms of "acceptance".
- Zarathust 14y ago
  According to the TIOBE index[1], it only shows that SO is very biased toward javascript, not that it is more or less used. StackOverflow is simply the new goto place for js programmers and seems to become more and more exclusively driven by web development, which might not reflect the whole programming industry. [1] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....
  - svachalek 14y ago
    True to a degree, but it's not as if TIOBE is unbiased.
jbigelow76 14y ago
Of all places I'm surprised SO would consider jQuery a language separate from Javascript, an aggregate with a footnote would seem more appropriate. Not a big deal it just seems odd to me. At least they didn't put HTML up there :)
- B-Con 14y ago
  I was surprised by that too. Maybe they allowed free-form answers.
  - pionar 14y ago
    No, it was a checkbox array (I took the survey). The thing is, saying you use jQuery is not the same as saying you use Javascript. The only Javascript I really use is jQuery. I have no deep JS needs, so I only use jQuery to make interfaces pretty. I chose jQuery (and C#, and some others) but did not choose JS.
    - r00fus 14y ago
      Still - you are yet beholden to the quirks of JS like how operator precedence and casting works. You should have also added JS even though you use the jQuery library extensively.
peeters 14y ago
Yeah, Javascript must be really confusing to have so many people asking questions about it :-). I jest, but seriously, popularity of a tag on StackOverflow should be used to determine one thing: popularity of a tag on StackOverflow. There are more important factors influencing a subject's popularity on SO than its overall popularity. A big factor is where the community around the technology tends to congregate. Many projects (like Guava: http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/ http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/) officially endorse StackOverflow as the place to ask questions, because the maintainers and experts will be monitoring SO. That will have an inflating impact on its relative popularity.
- ansgri 14y ago
  Indeed, mega-monsters like C++ and Python are old enough that Google sends people away from SO to more traditional old books and blog posts which already have most questions answered.

JS is #1, and JQuery is #3. That's a runaway win by the JavaScript stack.

by B-Con 14y ago

JS is #1, and JQuery is #3. That's a runaway win by the JavaScript stack.

JonoW 14y ago

To be fair, positions 1, 2 and 3 (JavaScript, SQL, jQuery) are "common" languages in that most web developers use/need them in addition to their core server language/framework (apart from node.js of course).

ajross 14y ago

Note that the "win" is less about language-vs-language and more about environment. Fifteen years ago, you saw Java score a similar rapid "win" over C++, which is gave up more slowly to C# over the following decade. What this really shows is that (1) most programming is "IT" programming (i.e. focused development for specific businesses), (2) most IT programming is user-focused, and (3) we've seen a rapid shift in the customer's preferred UI environment. Java was a revelation for people developing client software in the 90's. It was faster and easier, and in many cases could be deployed over the web. Its later wins on the server backend (which came more slowly) were driven by the client side. And Javascript is taking that mantle, driven by the mobile world. Yes, you could still develop a Windows client app, but it won't work on your employees iPhones and Galaxy S3's. So you deploy a web app instead. And thus you use Javascript.

martinced 14y ago
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Business / or "IT" as you call often has DB + server-side + client-side. The server-side has been taken over mostly everywhere by either Java or its younger cousin C# and you go to any big company and you'll find one of these two languages heavily used. What is changing now is that people / employees have realized that it's convenient to be able to use any browser, from any device (desktop / laptop / tablet / smartphone), from any OS (iOS, Linux / Android, OS X, Windows) on the client-side. And the one indisputed king inside the browser to code the client-side is JavaScript. IMHO It's not exactly as if monothreaded JavaScript engines are going to displace server-side Java / C# anytime soon. Webapps are accessed from clients using JavaScript. But Webapps themselves, at least for many "enterprisey" stuff are very often coded in Java or C# (or at least virtually always in languages targetting either the JVM or .Net).
- ajross 14y ago
  I don't think we actually disagree. Backend language choices have always shown more diversity, and will continue to do so. But still, the number of lines of code and developer hours dedicated to these applications is dominated by the front end. With very few exceptions, UI apps have always been "heavier" than the data engines behind them. So even though C# won't be going away any time soon, it still shows well below Javascript in terms of "acceptance".
Zarathust 14y ago
According to the TIOBE index[1], it only shows that SO is very biased toward javascript, not that it is more or less used. StackOverflow is simply the new goto place for js programmers and seems to become more and more exclusively driven by web development, which might not reflect the whole programming industry. [1] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....
- svachalek 14y ago
  True to a degree, but it's not as if TIOBE is unbiased.

jbigelow76 14y ago

Of all places I'm surprised SO would consider jQuery a language separate from Javascript, an aggregate with a footnote would seem more appropriate. Not a big deal it just seems odd to me. At least they didn't put HTML up there :)

B-Con 14y ago
I was surprised by that too. Maybe they allowed free-form answers.
- pionar 14y ago
  No, it was a checkbox array (I took the survey). The thing is, saying you use jQuery is not the same as saying you use Javascript. The only Javascript I really use is jQuery. I have no deep JS needs, so I only use jQuery to make interfaces pretty. I chose jQuery (and C#, and some others) but did not choose JS.
  - r00fus 14y ago
    Still - you are yet beholden to the quirks of JS like how operator precedence and casting works. You should have also added JS even though you use the jQuery library extensively.

peeters 14y ago

Yeah, Javascript must be really confusing to have so many people asking questions about it :-). I jest, but seriously, popularity of a tag on StackOverflow should be used to determine one thing: popularity of a tag on StackOverflow. There are more important factors influencing a subject's popularity on SO than its overall popularity. A big factor is where the community around the technology tends to congregate. Many projects (like Guava: http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/ http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/) officially endorse StackOverflow as the place to ask questions, because the maintainers and experts will be monitoring SO. That will have an inflating impact on its relative popularity.

ansgri 14y ago
Indeed, mega-monsters like C++ and Python are old enough that Google sends people away from SO to more traditional old books and blog posts which already have most questions answered.