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I consider that article flawed. 1) If I wear something 'odd', that doesn't mean that I spent extra time for this interview. If you care about that, ask me how

I consider that article flawed. 1) If I wear something 'odd', that doesn't mean that I spent extra time for this interview. If you care about that, ask me how I prefer to dress and I'll tell you an anecdote about me getting married in a Star Wars tee. That I wear a suit to your interview is a big change. 2) A skill to tie a bow tie doesn't translate to anything valuable (except to tie a bow tie).. 3) Being different just for the sake of standing out can be archived in a number of ways and the opposite of coming with a bow tie (? Maybe wearing the a short of your favorite sports team?) would archive _that_ just as easily. My prejudices? Suit is already a little over the top. Suit + tie is for old men or greasy sales people. Bow ties are only allowed if you were already a grown-up during WW II.

masukomi 14y ago
The skill to tie a bow tie is indicative of ones willingness to learn skills that are not necessarily "essential" but are still useful. You're right that odd does not translate into spending extra time for an interview, but it does translate into caring more (assuming that the "odd" thing is something akin to a bow tie which indicates an attempt to look more refined and / or valuable within the context of social norms). 3 of course there are other ways of standing out. That doesn't mean that bow tie's aren't one. Regarding suits... I never mentioned suits. Bow ties can look quite good without a suit. Just like a well chosen standard tie.
- darklajid 14y ago
  I don't want to be mean or anything. But that argument is still really, really weak. First of all that's very superficial. Maybe we're talking about the first impression here? Second, it's a matter of taste. You think it indicates ones willingness to learn to use that thing, people might very well think you're a show-off, stuck in the past or a weirdo. Third: Again, your argument can be reduced to 'standing out' (as you acknowledged). Maybe a pair of laces with LEDs inside are just as good to show that you're interested in - well - uncommon stuff. By all means, wear bow ties wherever you want and tell all your friends to do just that. In my universe it makes no sense though and the arguments so far seem unconvincing. Non-existing (ignoring 'I like the idea to wear bow ties'). So, final words: An article about bow ties is fine. An article with anecdotes about how bow ties got you a job might be okay. An article about how people should wear bow ties, because that totally sets them apart and shows their dedication to ~something~ is just plain false in the way it's set up here. (P.S.: '.. still useful' is actually quite debatable here, unless you buy into the whole idea of bow ties being useful/nice to wear)
  - masukomi 14y ago
    I find that any skill that provides me with additional option when performing common tasks is "useful" to some degree. re LEDs for standing out: i did say "within the context of social norms" re "dedication to ~something~" I never said, or implied dedication. I said "willingness". This is VERY different. I don't want employees who are "dedicated" to finding alternative ways to do things. I want employees who are "willing" to find alternative ways to do things.
peterwwillis 14y ago
If you think a suit is "over the top" for a job interview, consider if you're applying for a position with Brogrammers. If you are a brogrammer, ignore this comment.
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masukomi 14y ago

The skill to tie a bow tie is indicative of ones willingness to learn skills that are not necessarily "essential" but are still useful. You're right that odd does not translate into spending extra time for an interview, but it does translate into caring more (assuming that the "odd" thing is something akin to a bow tie which indicates an attempt to look more refined and / or valuable within the context of social norms). 3 of course there are other ways of standing out. That doesn't mean that bow tie's aren't one. Regarding suits... I never mentioned suits. Bow ties can look quite good without a suit. Just like a well chosen standard tie.

darklajid 14y ago
I don't want to be mean or anything. But that argument is still really, really weak. First of all that's very superficial. Maybe we're talking about the first impression here? Second, it's a matter of taste. You think it indicates ones willingness to learn to use that thing, people might very well think you're a show-off, stuck in the past or a weirdo. Third: Again, your argument can be reduced to 'standing out' (as you acknowledged). Maybe a pair of laces with LEDs inside are just as good to show that you're interested in - well - uncommon stuff. By all means, wear bow ties wherever you want and tell all your friends to do just that. In my universe it makes no sense though and the arguments so far seem unconvincing. Non-existing (ignoring 'I like the idea to wear bow ties'). So, final words: An article about bow ties is fine. An article with anecdotes about how bow ties got you a job might be okay. An article about how people should wear bow ties, because that totally sets them apart and shows their dedication to ~something~ is just plain false in the way it's set up here. (P.S.: '.. still useful' is actually quite debatable here, unless you buy into the whole idea of bow ties being useful/nice to wear)
- masukomi 14y ago
  I find that any skill that provides me with additional option when performing common tasks is "useful" to some degree. re LEDs for standing out: i did say "within the context of social norms" re "dedication to ~something~" I never said, or implied dedication. I said "willingness". This is VERY different. I don't want employees who are "dedicated" to finding alternative ways to do things. I want employees who are "willing" to find alternative ways to do things.

peterwwillis 14y ago

If you think a suit is "over the top" for a job interview, consider if you're applying for a position with Brogrammers. If you are a brogrammer, ignore this comment.

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