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The petition asking for Steve Heymann's firing still lacks 14.500 votes, and it won't make it in tome at the current rate. From what I read he was more instrume

by pygy_ 14y ago

The petition asking for Steve Heymann's firing still lacks 14.500 votes, and it won't make it in tome at the current rate. From what I read he was more instrumental than Ortiz in the aggressiveness the prosecution. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/fire-assistant-us-attorney-steve-heymann/RJKSY2nb https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/fire-assistant-us-... No need to be a US citizen to sign. An email address is enough. Once again, sorry for insisting, but I think it's important. Not that the witch hunt is very useful in itself, but it keeps people involved and the more shit we stir, the most likely things will move.

deelowe 14y ago
This doesn't solve anything. Most people could give a crap about Ortiz getting fired. She's a symptom of the problem. Firing her doesn't cure the disease.
- runjake 14y ago
  Just as the government can make an example of a person -- the people can make an example of a government representative.
- pygy_ 14y ago
  > Most people could give a crap ... I suppose you meant "couldn't". As written above, I'm well aware that getting rid of them will not solve the problem. It's more about making noise (which is all I can do from Europe regarding US politics).
  - deelowe 14y ago
    Yes, thanks for the correction.
- arthurrr 14y ago
  But you have to start somewhere. There's never going to be a silver bullet that fixes the system. Because some people (the ones in power) do not consider the system to be broken.
- josefresco 14y ago
  To say the prosecutors directly involved in this case do not hold any responsibility is quite shocking. Throwing your hands up and saying "it's not my fault it's the system" is a complete BS excuse in my view. These prosecutors and even MIT staff (among others) had on multiple occasions the opportunity to alter the course of this case. Law enforcement and the justice system is not, and in my view should not be a massive array of machines coldly executing laws and prosecuting offenders without any variance. Sometimes while seemingly unfair to the individual simply "doing their job", prosecuting a "cog" or part of this apparently flawed system of justice can be the impetus for change and send a message to the others to use proper judgement when deciding to pursue cases and what charges they actually bring.
  - deelowe 14y ago
    I didn't say that at all. I'm just more interested in real change vs. a witch hunt.
- betterunix 14y ago
  Firing her would give other prosecutors a reason to think twice about aggressively pursuing a case. Something along the lines of, "Ortiz was fired over this sort of thing; maybe I should not try to abuse the law the way she did." It might be overly optimistic to think that, but really, the government needs an occasional reminder that it serves the people and that angering us is a bad idea.

by pygy_ 14y ago

deelowe 14y ago

This doesn't solve anything. Most people could give a crap about Ortiz getting fired. She's a symptom of the problem. Firing her doesn't cure the disease.

runjake 14y ago
Just as the government can make an example of a person -- the people can make an example of a government representative.
pygy_ 14y ago
> Most people could give a crap ... I suppose you meant "couldn't". As written above, I'm well aware that getting rid of them will not solve the problem. It's more about making noise (which is all I can do from Europe regarding US politics).
- deelowe 14y ago
  Yes, thanks for the correction.
arthurrr 14y ago
But you have to start somewhere. There's never going to be a silver bullet that fixes the system. Because some people (the ones in power) do not consider the system to be broken.
josefresco 14y ago
To say the prosecutors directly involved in this case do not hold any responsibility is quite shocking. Throwing your hands up and saying "it's not my fault it's the system" is a complete BS excuse in my view. These prosecutors and even MIT staff (among others) had on multiple occasions the opportunity to alter the course of this case. Law enforcement and the justice system is not, and in my view should not be a massive array of machines coldly executing laws and prosecuting offenders without any variance. Sometimes while seemingly unfair to the individual simply "doing their job", prosecuting a "cog" or part of this apparently flawed system of justice can be the impetus for change and send a message to the others to use proper judgement when deciding to pursue cases and what charges they actually bring.
- deelowe 14y ago
  I didn't say that at all. I'm just more interested in real change vs. a witch hunt.
betterunix 14y ago
Firing her would give other prosecutors a reason to think twice about aggressively pursuing a case. Something along the lines of, "Ortiz was fired over this sort of thing; maybe I should not try to abuse the law the way she did." It might be overly optimistic to think that, but really, the government needs an occasional reminder that it serves the people and that angering us is a bad idea.