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Note the comment you are replying to qualified it to 'desktop' framework. Obviously Java is very popular on mobile, servers and in enterprise. On the desktop, b

Note the comment you are replying to qualified it to 'desktop' framework. Obviously Java is very popular on mobile, servers and in enterprise. On the desktop, beyond Minecraft, Eclipse, Azure and OpenOffice there aren't a lot of other popular desktop Java apps. Java on the desktop failed because of .Net, because the UI widgets on Java looks horrible and nothing like the OS, and because Sun wasn't a consumer focused company and neither is Oracle.

calinet6 14y ago
Exactly what I meant, yes. There are a lot of places Java has succeeded, but being a framework to write and run desktop applications for the mass-market end-user consumer (a task which it was once positioned to excel at) was not one of them. And all it took was a little user-focus and design work. Never happened. Very shortsighted IMHO, but I also believe it was not possible at Sun or Oracle. Just not in their nature.