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Missing option: grow a thicker skin and don't take everything personally.

carbocation 14y ago
I, for one, look forward to the day when someone stumbles across my code and finds it worthy of commentary. Good or bad, just not indifferent, please.
- MartinCron 14y ago
  Do you want meaningful commentary or empty snarky ridicule?
  - carbocation 14y ago
    I'm simply saying that at the moment, either of those would be more interesting than total ignorance.
    - MartinCron 14y ago
      Actually, this makes me think... I don't think I've ever given feedback on an open source project. Maybe I, as someone horrified by Heather Arthur's story, have some sort of ethical obligation to provide constructive and helpful feedback to people. I'm not a great programmer, but I've been at this for long enough to have some useful opinions. Open invitation for my fellow HN community members: point me at a repo and I'll try to say something actually helpful.
      - ncallaway 14y ago
        This reminds me of the recent ShowHN of criticue (http://criticue.com/ http://criticue.com/). You could do something similar (or those guys could do it) where you provide feedback on other people's repositories in exchange for feedback on your repository. Sort of a community code review process.
        deleted 14y ago
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      - philh 14y ago
        I actually have been hoping to get feedback on whether people think https://github.com/ChickenProp/ds-debug https://github.com/ChickenProp/ds-debug is/could be useful.
        rektide 14y ago
        a wire protocol for named context patches: you'd do better not writing your own wire serialization format, and instead adopting an existing transport: websockets, stomp, and MQTT all strike me as sufficiently stupid simple & end to end enough, or anything from thrift to zmq to flume for transport would be slightly more inter-linkable than your "length/json-payload" ad-hocracy. it's JS but you might enjoy node-webworker, which uses websockets to implement inter-Node.js message passing: your specific case is debugger being an outbound messaging port, emitting context programmatically.
        philh 14y ago
        I did find myself thinking "this has to be a solved problem" as I was writing the socket code. Thanks, I'll look into those.
MartinCron 14y ago
I actually think that a strong emotional reaction to unsolicited ridicule by high-profile people is a typical human response, not a weakness that needs to be beaten out of people. Regardless, my point is that I don't think I'm able to grow a thick enough skin to be indifferent in the face of such cruelty, so I'm not going to extend myself. Other people may feel differently, and that's great for them.
5hoom 14y ago
I've suffered pretty severe depression and anxiety for most of my adult life. While the idea that we should all just grow a thicker skin and 'just deal with it' is both understandable and practical given the nature of the internet - it just wont happen for me. I know myself well enough to have recognized that even a tiny drop of vitriol could have me questioning my every decision and shatter my self confidence for days or even weeks. So I simply write code and keep it to myself, and I'm sure there are plenty of others like me. The idea of open sourcing our work is truly admirable however there are some of us out there who just can't stand the hate and Alpha-nerd jockeying, so we opt out. I don't think the world is missing out on much by my own lack of contribution but who knows how many truly brilliant yet fragile minds are self selecting out of the open source community because they just cannot cope?
- rektide 14y ago
  please email tarballs to rektide+anongit@voodoowarez.com if you have code you have no aspirations for but wouldn't mind kicking out into the wild. i will eliminate author headers from the code and seed over p2p and make available. thank you for any sympathy you might have towards this request to let us syndicate your work.
  - taproot 14y ago
    And annonhub an anonymous github clone in 3...2...1...
rjzzleep 14y ago
she chose to read it. it's not like someone rubbed it in her face. well someone told her about it. just like she chose to read the good things, she chose to read the bad things. SHE CHOSE. people seem to ignore that little fact, instead they result to writing meaningless essays, on how to apply their opinion as a universal standard to life. nothx
- MartinCron 14y ago
  This is the first time I have seen the "blame the victim" approach applied to public ridicule. So I guess that now I have seen everything.
  - rjzzleep 14y ago
    ok, see you're entitled to your opinion. you think i'm an idiot, and I think you're an idiot. but that's kinda besides the point. the thing with opinions is that's a little bit like taking a dump. everyone takes one, but it kinda is a reflection of what's in your digestive system. look through the tweets. https://twitter.com/search?q=%40harthvader&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=%40harthvader&src=typd noone personally shoved it down her throat. it's new to me that you get personal messages for someone talking about your github repo somewhere. the blame the victim talk is like saying getting personally assaulted is the same as someone getting his car destroyed after parking your car in front of central park in new york. sure you could argue that they did it solely, because they knew the person, but this is clearly not the case here.
    - MartinCron 14y ago
      I don't think you're an idiot, I just think that saying it is all her fault because she chose to read the horrible things that high-profile people were broadcasting about her work is not a very good analysis of the situation. It doesn't take long to read a tweet, and you can't exactly un-read it if you find it to be deplorable.

I, for one, look forward to the day when someone stumbles across my code and finds it worthy of commentary. Good or bad, just not indifferent, please.

MartinCron 14y ago
Do you want meaningful commentary or empty snarky ridicule?
- carbocation 14y ago
  I'm simply saying that at the moment, either of those would be more interesting than total ignorance.
  - MartinCron 14y ago
    Actually, this makes me think... I don't think I've ever given feedback on an open source project. Maybe I, as someone horrified by Heather Arthur's story, have some sort of ethical obligation to provide constructive and helpful feedback to people. I'm not a great programmer, but I've been at this for long enough to have some useful opinions. Open invitation for my fellow HN community members: point me at a repo and I'll try to say something actually helpful.
    - ncallaway 14y ago
      This reminds me of the recent ShowHN of criticue (http://criticue.com/ http://criticue.com/). You could do something similar (or those guys could do it) where you provide feedback on other people's repositories in exchange for feedback on your repository. Sort of a community code review process.
      - deleted 14y ago
        [deleted]
    - philh 14y ago
      I actually have been hoping to get feedback on whether people think https://github.com/ChickenProp/ds-debug https://github.com/ChickenProp/ds-debug is/could be useful.
      - rektide 14y ago
        a wire protocol for named context patches: you'd do better not writing your own wire serialization format, and instead adopting an existing transport: websockets, stomp, and MQTT all strike me as sufficiently stupid simple & end to end enough, or anything from thrift to zmq to flume for transport would be slightly more inter-linkable than your "length/json-payload" ad-hocracy. it's JS but you might enjoy node-webworker, which uses websockets to implement inter-Node.js message passing: your specific case is debugger being an outbound messaging port, emitting context programmatically.
        philh 14y ago
        I did find myself thinking "this has to be a solved problem" as I was writing the socket code. Thanks, I'll look into those.

MartinCron 14y ago

I actually think that a strong emotional reaction to unsolicited ridicule by high-profile people is a typical human response, not a weakness that needs to be beaten out of people. Regardless, my point is that I don't think I'm able to grow a thick enough skin to be indifferent in the face of such cruelty, so I'm not going to extend myself. Other people may feel differently, and that's great for them.

5hoom 14y ago

I've suffered pretty severe depression and anxiety for most of my adult life. While the idea that we should all just grow a thicker skin and 'just deal with it' is both understandable and practical given the nature of the internet - it just wont happen for me. I know myself well enough to have recognized that even a tiny drop of vitriol could have me questioning my every decision and shatter my self confidence for days or even weeks. So I simply write code and keep it to myself, and I'm sure there are plenty of others like me. The idea of open sourcing our work is truly admirable however there are some of us out there who just can't stand the hate and Alpha-nerd jockeying, so we opt out. I don't think the world is missing out on much by my own lack of contribution but who knows how many truly brilliant yet fragile minds are self selecting out of the open source community because they just cannot cope?

rektide 14y ago
please email tarballs to rektide+anongit@voodoowarez.com if you have code you have no aspirations for but wouldn't mind kicking out into the wild. i will eliminate author headers from the code and seed over p2p and make available. thank you for any sympathy you might have towards this request to let us syndicate your work.
- taproot 14y ago
  And annonhub an anonymous github clone in 3...2...1...

rjzzleep 14y ago

she chose to read it. it's not like someone rubbed it in her face. well someone told her about it. just like she chose to read the good things, she chose to read the bad things. SHE CHOSE. people seem to ignore that little fact, instead they result to writing meaningless essays, on how to apply their opinion as a universal standard to life. nothx

MartinCron 14y ago
This is the first time I have seen the "blame the victim" approach applied to public ridicule. So I guess that now I have seen everything.
- rjzzleep 14y ago
  ok, see you're entitled to your opinion. you think i'm an idiot, and I think you're an idiot. but that's kinda besides the point. the thing with opinions is that's a little bit like taking a dump. everyone takes one, but it kinda is a reflection of what's in your digestive system. look through the tweets. https://twitter.com/search?q=%40harthvader&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=%40harthvader&src=typd noone personally shoved it down her throat. it's new to me that you get personal messages for someone talking about your github repo somewhere. the blame the victim talk is like saying getting personally assaulted is the same as someone getting his car destroyed after parking your car in front of central park in new york. sure you could argue that they did it solely, because they knew the person, but this is clearly not the case here.
  - MartinCron 14y ago
    I don't think you're an idiot, I just think that saying it is all her fault because she chose to read the horrible things that high-profile people were broadcasting about her work is not a very good analysis of the situation. It doesn't take long to read a tweet, and you can't exactly un-read it if you find it to be deplorable.