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When I went traveling, I called T-Mobile and they provided me an unlock code without any bellyaching.

by tspike 14y ago

SwellJoe 14y ago
It took me several days to get an unlock code from T-Mobile, for a phone I'd paid for unsubsidized. And, they make a big deal out of the process, and make a lot of noise about possibly being unable to provide unlock codes if they don't have them. That's not to say T-Mobile isn't better than some other carriers. As I understand it, they are. But, I shouldn't have to ask permission to use my phone, that I paid $600 for, in Mexico for a few weeks, while I continue to pay for my US service. Making unlocking a phone yourself illegal is anti-consumer and pro-corporate in ways that I find extremely distasteful and it makes me angry that the US state serves corporate interests so much more enthusiastically than individual interests.
- sinak 14y ago
  ----- I want to fight this ----- HN, my brother is just about to relaunch an unlocking site I made in 2002 (mockup here: http://j.mp/WRfm6A http://j.mp/WRfm6A). I really want to help him fight this ruling. I'm guessing that petitioning the librarian is the best idea. Any ideas or thoughts on how to go about this would be very, very much appreciated. And if anyone's willing to help, email me (email in profile).
- zem 14y ago
  if you paid for the phone unsubsidised, why was it even locked in the first place?
  - SwellJoe 14y ago
    They are locked, by default. I bought it in a T-Mobile store, because my Nexus 1 died while I was travelling and needed something quick (it's an HTC Sensation 4G, which is the worst phone I've owned, possibly ever). Maybe they'll unlock it immediately if you ask them to, I dunno.
  - jzwinck 14y ago
    Hey I don't know why, but the same happened to me in the UK. Bought a phone outright from Three, then later paid them to unlock it. Silly.
  - YZF 14y ago
    So you can only use it with the vendor you bought it from? I guess the OP means bought with no plan. This is the primary use case for locking.
sp332 14y ago
AT&T also has this policy. Sprint and Verizon will not, but CDMA phones don't work in most places around the world anyway.
- nanidin 14y ago
  All it took was one short call to Sprint to get my iPhone 4S unlocked for international SIM cards. Domestic cards still say invalid, but everything else works. That was about 6 months into the contract.
halviti 14y ago
It all depends on how long you've been a customer, how long you've had your phone, and the status of your current contract.
codev 14y ago
The reason they gave you a code is because they have competition in unlocking - you could just go to an iPhone unlock website and do it yourself. Once it becomes illegal to unlock your phone by any other method it won't take long for them to start charging for this 'premium service' or not allowing it at all.
kyro 14y ago
I went travelling this past December and wanted to unlock my iPhone 5. I was told by AT&T I would have had to wait 2 years before I could get the phone unlocked...
- Terretta 14y ago
  You should have bought an iPhone 5 if you wanted to own one. I buy my iPhones, and the first time they sync, I get the message, "Congratulations, your phone is unlocked." As it stands, AT&T owns your iPhone until you finish your contract just like the dealer owns your leased car.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    Do you pay $300 extra for the privilege? I don't believe AT&T offers unsubsidized discounts.
  - coopdog 14y ago
    That might be how it works in the US, but why roll over and accept that when literally the rest of the world doesn't. In Australia, subsidised androids on 2 year plans aren't locked at all, and for iPhone its as simple as ringing the carrier for the unlock code, you can do it the day you get your phone. They're going to get the full value of the contract anyway, why pay them insane roaming fees too.
    - girvo 14y ago
      I've worked in telco in Australia for a number of years now, we are better off: the phones cost is built into the plan these days (hence why an iphone on a $35 plan is an extra $23 per month). It used to be worse. They used to come locked, and getting unlocked was an exercise in pulling teeth. Thankfully things are better now. To those that say it's a lease, it's not: you cannot give the phone back and receive the money you've paid for it. It is your handset. You cannot even request a new one if it doesn't suit you (here in Australia anyway). Unlocking the phone does not cancel the contract: you still pay that monthly fee.

When I went traveling, I called T-Mobile and they provided me an unlock code without any bellyaching.

by tspike 14y ago

When I went traveling, I called T-Mobile and they provided me an unlock code without any bellyaching.

It took me several days to get an unlock code from T-Mobile, for a phone I'd paid for unsubsidized. And, they make a big deal out of the process, and make a lot of noise about possibly being unable to provide unlock codes if they don't have them. That's not to say T-Mobile isn't better than some other carriers. As I understand it, they are. But, I shouldn't have to ask permission to use my phone, that I paid $600 for, in Mexico for a few weeks, while I continue to pay for my US service. Making unlocking a phone yourself illegal is anti-consumer and pro-corporate in ways that I find extremely distasteful and it makes me angry that the US state serves corporate interests so much more enthusiastically than individual interests.

sinak 14y ago
----- I want to fight this ----- HN, my brother is just about to relaunch an unlocking site I made in 2002 (mockup here: http://j.mp/WRfm6A http://j.mp/WRfm6A). I really want to help him fight this ruling. I'm guessing that petitioning the librarian is the best idea. Any ideas or thoughts on how to go about this would be very, very much appreciated. And if anyone's willing to help, email me (email in profile).
zem 14y ago
if you paid for the phone unsubsidised, why was it even locked in the first place?
- SwellJoe 14y ago
  They are locked, by default. I bought it in a T-Mobile store, because my Nexus 1 died while I was travelling and needed something quick (it's an HTC Sensation 4G, which is the worst phone I've owned, possibly ever). Maybe they'll unlock it immediately if you ask them to, I dunno.
- jzwinck 14y ago
  Hey I don't know why, but the same happened to me in the UK. Bought a phone outright from Three, then later paid them to unlock it. Silly.
- YZF 14y ago
  So you can only use it with the vendor you bought it from? I guess the OP means bought with no plan. This is the primary use case for locking.

sp332 14y ago

AT&T also has this policy. Sprint and Verizon will not, but CDMA phones don't work in most places around the world anyway.

nanidin 14y ago
All it took was one short call to Sprint to get my iPhone 4S unlocked for international SIM cards. Domestic cards still say invalid, but everything else works. That was about 6 months into the contract.

halviti 14y ago

It all depends on how long you've been a customer, how long you've had your phone, and the status of your current contract.

codev 14y ago

The reason they gave you a code is because they have competition in unlocking - you could just go to an iPhone unlock website and do it yourself. Once it becomes illegal to unlock your phone by any other method it won't take long for them to start charging for this 'premium service' or not allowing it at all.

kyro 14y ago

I went travelling this past December and wanted to unlock my iPhone 5. I was told by AT&T I would have had to wait 2 years before I could get the phone unlocked...

Terretta 14y ago
You should have bought an iPhone 5 if you wanted to own one. I buy my iPhones, and the first time they sync, I get the message, "Congratulations, your phone is unlocked." As it stands, AT&T owns your iPhone until you finish your contract just like the dealer owns your leased car.
- illuminate 14y ago
  Do you pay $300 extra for the privilege? I don't believe AT&T offers unsubsidized discounts.
- coopdog 14y ago
  That might be how it works in the US, but why roll over and accept that when literally the rest of the world doesn't. In Australia, subsidised androids on 2 year plans aren't locked at all, and for iPhone its as simple as ringing the carrier for the unlock code, you can do it the day you get your phone. They're going to get the full value of the contract anyway, why pay them insane roaming fees too.
  - girvo 14y ago
    I've worked in telco in Australia for a number of years now, we are better off: the phones cost is built into the plan these days (hence why an iphone on a $35 plan is an extra $23 per month). It used to be worse. They used to come locked, and getting unlocked was an exercise in pulling teeth. Thankfully things are better now. To those that say it's a lease, it's not: you cannot give the phone back and receive the money you've paid for it. It is your handset. You cannot even request a new one if it doesn't suit you (here in Australia anyway). Unlocking the phone does not cancel the contract: you still pay that monthly fee.