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I'm sorry, but you have an extremely warped sense of history if you think contractual arrangements between mobile phone network operators and their customers ar

I'm sorry, but you have an extremely warped sense of history if you think contractual arrangements between mobile phone network operators and their customers are comparable to the restrictions on freedom in Nazi Germany. This is a really bleak example of Godwin's Law in action. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law AFTER EDIT: Seeing the kind reply from the person with whom I am disagreeing here, I note from the dates of Martin Niemöller's life (14 January 1892 – 6 March 1984) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller that his quotation was surely about the Nazis, and it couldn't possibly have preceded the presence of the National Socialist German Workers (Nazi) Party in Germany "by half a century," so you were referring to the Nazis whether your knowledge of history included that realization or not. I have known that quotation since 1969, when I learned it from my elementary school teacher that year, when Niemöller was still alive.

chimeracoder 14y ago
With all due respect, even if the rhetoric is a bit hyperbolic, redwood's point is still valid. Winning major legislative and court victories against telecom, for example, makes no difference if consumers are willing (or forced) to negotiate their way into even worse positions than before as technological and market forces render cable/broadband and wireless providers the true behemoths of the modern market.
redwood 14y ago
While I appreciate you're point, I'm thinking about this in the context of the Schwartz case and others. There is value to pointing to the slippery slope and fighting against it. I don't accept the premise of the Godwin's Law argument but respect that you do. I'd also point out that the quote pre-dates the Nazis by half a century so I didn't really go there EDIT: You're right I literally misred his bio and had thought he died the year he was born :) Makes more sense, I admit :)
youngerdryas 14y ago
This a thousand times. It seems geeks get their panties in a bunch and start spouting off nonsense at the drop of a hat around here lately. I don't imagine many are engineers or they would use more logic.
shortlived 14y ago
It's a bit shocking that people do not realize the context in which this quote was born. For anyone who makes such misguided comparisons, I urge you seek out someone who actually lived through Nazi rule or in the Soviet Union and find out what they think of your ideas.
jack-r-abbit 14y ago
I don't believe the OP was actually comparing a 2-year contract to getting killed in a gas chamber. But rather comparing how easy it is for many people to just look away and not care about things that happen to others since it is not happening to them... only to find that one day it DOES happen to them and then they're screwed. This happens on many levels less than genocide. Getting involved should not be reserved for only combating genocide.

chimeracoder 14y ago

With all due respect, even if the rhetoric is a bit hyperbolic, redwood's point is still valid. Winning major legislative and court victories against telecom, for example, makes no difference if consumers are willing (or forced) to negotiate their way into even worse positions than before as technological and market forces render cable/broadband and wireless providers the true behemoths of the modern market.

redwood 14y ago

While I appreciate you're point, I'm thinking about this in the context of the Schwartz case and others. There is value to pointing to the slippery slope and fighting against it. I don't accept the premise of the Godwin's Law argument but respect that you do. I'd also point out that the quote pre-dates the Nazis by half a century so I didn't really go there EDIT: You're right I literally misred his bio and had thought he died the year he was born :) Makes more sense, I admit :)

youngerdryas 14y ago

This a thousand times. It seems geeks get their panties in a bunch and start spouting off nonsense at the drop of a hat around here lately. I don't imagine many are engineers or they would use more logic.

shortlived 14y ago

It's a bit shocking that people do not realize the context in which this quote was born. For anyone who makes such misguided comparisons, I urge you seek out someone who actually lived through Nazi rule or in the Soviet Union and find out what they think of your ideas.

jack-r-abbit 14y ago

I don't believe the OP was actually comparing a 2-year contract to getting killed in a gas chamber. But rather comparing how easy it is for many people to just look away and not care about things that happen to others since it is not happening to them... only to find that one day it DOES happen to them and then they're screwed. This happens on many levels less than genocide. Getting involved should not be reserved for only combating genocide.