Compared to the Linux (open) world? There was no real interface before 2000. Even with the core Linux developers like Linus, he absolutely did not care about

Compared to the Linux (open) world? There was no real interface before 2000. Even with the core Linux developers like Linus, he absolutely did not care about the user space. Linux was sort of this competitor to MS Windows and the main creator of Linux didn't actually care to building user interfaces. Sure Linus was a kernel hacker and was trying to building the compliant OS system. I bet Steve Jobs didn't just look on the Apple OS kernel. He focused on the design of the hardware and the design of all the software. It is myopic to completely ignore the desktop arena. And a lot of open source developers were like that.