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Very cool, but I don't see file size as a significant factor when making a decision about what library to use. With SPDY, fast pipes & 4G, minification etc, wor

Very cool, but I don't see file size as a significant factor when making a decision about what library to use. With SPDY, fast pipes & 4G, minification etc, worrying about super tiny file sizes is becoming a legacy issue.

nwh 14y ago
In the US. In other countries, not so much.
- unicornporn 14y ago
  Well, I'm in Sweden on a gigabit connection right now. Quite a few countries have good cable and cell infrastructures. So, "other countries" might generalizing.
  - nakkiel 14y ago
    I was about to say the same thing. I live in Thailand and haven't had any issue with slow websites (besides the usual borked connection every now and then). I've worked for two different companies here that rely heavily on the cloud for extremely operations and both selling cloud-based software (both are SMEs are targeting SMEs). Now, I don't even think the overall quality of internet connections is that great in the US and I'd say most European countries do a better job overall (less disparities inside individual countries, not among all European countries). And finally: http://www.techpark.net/2010/04/15/broadband-internet-speeds-2009-2010-the-top-10-countries/ http://www.techpark.net/2010/04/15/broadband-internet-speeds...
- ricardobeat 14y ago
  The US is not particularly known for fast internet connections, a few localized exceptions aside. But yes, file size must still be considered. 3G, bad reception, congestion, spotty wi-fi and loading speed (spdy isn't that much faster) are very real concerns.
- nollidge 14y ago
  Actually, the U.S. is probably in the middle of the pack or worse when it comes to average connection speed.
EnderMB 14y ago
It's highly common for people on here to complain about how slow many modern websites are, mainly because they rely far too much on JavaScript or are trying to do too much on one page at one time. File size is a very real measure that needs to be monitored. Naturally, if you're building a basic website then it's hard to make your pages too bloated, but I've had numerous interview candidates throw over CV's with basic one page portfolio sites that hit the 15MB mark, and these people often don't get the job.
troels 14y ago
I think the main issue isn't that it is heavy to transfer, but bootstrap is a lot of code to wrap your head around, if you want to customise beyond the defaults. I think a more lightweight core could be worthwhile, although I'd rather see Bootstrap slimming down, since it's otherwise a very good framework.
- hnriot 14y ago
  I don't agree, one of the beauties of bootstrap is that it's really easy to wrap your head around.
waxjar 14y ago
This makes me just sad. It might not be a problem for you personally, but it is for the majority of the rest of the people. Hell, even Hacker News isn't as fast as I'd like it to be on my connection.

nwh 14y ago

In the US. In other countries, not so much.

unicornporn 14y ago
Well, I'm in Sweden on a gigabit connection right now. Quite a few countries have good cable and cell infrastructures. So, "other countries" might generalizing.
- nakkiel 14y ago
  I was about to say the same thing. I live in Thailand and haven't had any issue with slow websites (besides the usual borked connection every now and then). I've worked for two different companies here that rely heavily on the cloud for extremely operations and both selling cloud-based software (both are SMEs are targeting SMEs). Now, I don't even think the overall quality of internet connections is that great in the US and I'd say most European countries do a better job overall (less disparities inside individual countries, not among all European countries). And finally: http://www.techpark.net/2010/04/15/broadband-internet-speeds-2009-2010-the-top-10-countries/ http://www.techpark.net/2010/04/15/broadband-internet-speeds...
ricardobeat 14y ago
The US is not particularly known for fast internet connections, a few localized exceptions aside. But yes, file size must still be considered. 3G, bad reception, congestion, spotty wi-fi and loading speed (spdy isn't that much faster) are very real concerns.
nollidge 14y ago
Actually, the U.S. is probably in the middle of the pack or worse when it comes to average connection speed.

EnderMB 14y ago

It's highly common for people on here to complain about how slow many modern websites are, mainly because they rely far too much on JavaScript or are trying to do too much on one page at one time. File size is a very real measure that needs to be monitored. Naturally, if you're building a basic website then it's hard to make your pages too bloated, but I've had numerous interview candidates throw over CV's with basic one page portfolio sites that hit the 15MB mark, and these people often don't get the job.

troels 14y ago

I think the main issue isn't that it is heavy to transfer, but bootstrap is a lot of code to wrap your head around, if you want to customise beyond the defaults. I think a more lightweight core could be worthwhile, although I'd rather see Bootstrap slimming down, since it's otherwise a very good framework.

hnriot 14y ago
I don't agree, one of the beauties of bootstrap is that it's really easy to wrap your head around.

waxjar 14y ago

This makes me just sad. It might not be a problem for you personally, but it is for the majority of the rest of the people. Hell, even Hacker News isn't as fast as I'd like it to be on my connection.