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"Javascript has grown a rather nice async ecosystem that Python just doesn't have. It's also exciting for people from the standpoint that everything feels newer

"Javascript has grown a rather nice async ecosystem that Python just doesn't have. It's also exciting for people from the standpoint that everything feels newer and more up for grabs. Python is a rather old language." Python old? Not to be snarky, but I've got programs for the PDP-11 that dated Python's great-grandmother. Excitement in a language doesn't cut it, I respect productivity, environment and progress. For automation, data munging and analysis, Python is my secret weapon in a shop of MS SQL Server DBA's and C# ditto heads. Would have be nice if MS would have adapted IronPython instead of creating PowerShell... Yes, there are oodles of crappy Turning complete programming languages, but there's definative advantages to a much smaller sub-set of decent langauges and environments.

pekk 14y ago
Python is, objectively, decades old. For some people that would make it less exciting. Excitement produces buzz and popularity and encourages development effort which creates real and useful code. I vastly, vastly prefer Python. But we are NOT helping Python AT ALL if we bring it up to trash Javascript every time it's mentioned, without making any argument more specific than "I used a PDP-11".
- xradionut 14y ago
  I'm not seeing a decrease in Python development and investment. In the past decade I've seen a lot of effort invested in interesting and productive third party utilities and libraries. New languages still have to build those tools and such to get to a steady-state and attract more than language explorers and hipsters. I wasn't trashing Javascript, which is obvious if you trace through the message thread. I haven't delved much into modern Javascript, since most of my work involves data and cli/desktop/network applications instead of web applications and services, so I don't have a valid observation worth sharing.

pekk 14y ago

Python is, objectively, decades old. For some people that would make it less exciting. Excitement produces buzz and popularity and encourages development effort which creates real and useful code. I vastly, vastly prefer Python. But we are NOT helping Python AT ALL if we bring it up to trash Javascript every time it's mentioned, without making any argument more specific than "I used a PDP-11".

xradionut 14y ago
I'm not seeing a decrease in Python development and investment. In the past decade I've seen a lot of effort invested in interesting and productive third party utilities and libraries. New languages still have to build those tools and such to get to a steady-state and attract more than language explorers and hipsters. I wasn't trashing Javascript, which is obvious if you trace through the message thread. I haven't delved much into modern Javascript, since most of my work involves data and cli/desktop/network applications instead of web applications and services, so I don't have a valid observation worth sharing.