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That's 3 strikes, and Gmail: you're out. I'm moving my domains off gmail as the primary MX. Is there a viable alternative to gmail for conversation view and s

by gstar 18y ago

That's 3 strikes, and Gmail: you're out. I'm moving my domains off gmail as the primary MX. Is there a viable alternative to gmail for conversation view and search?

rksprst 18y ago
Not that I know of, though I've moved from google apps to hosted exchange with Sherweb and couldn't be happier. I love the fact that my calendar & address book sync wirelessly with my iPhone. Also, push email is great.
onk 18y ago
> Is there a viable alternative to gmail for conversation view and search? Mutt but you'll have to type "ot" to order by thread and "l~b<word>" to search (limit) by <word> in the body of your mail.
lsb 18y ago
Can your spam filters do better?
- modoc 18y ago
  Mine do as well, yes. I'm not knocking GMail's spam filters, but it's absolutely possible to run your own mail server virtually spam free. I've had the same primary e-mail address for 11 years, posted it all over the place, and I almost never see spam in my inbox.
  - ROFISH 18y ago
    The problem is that you will still receive the mail. If you run even a semi-popular website, your domain is going to be hit by all kinds of bogus mail. Since I'm a programmer not a server administrator, the CPU and IO was constantly overloaded because of spam. Whenever I switched to Google Apps, the hard drive breathed a sign of relief. I'm sure if you take the time to properly administrate, you can run email on your own server. In my case it was too confusing, took too much effort, and I wanted to get back to doing real work.
    - modoc 18y ago
      Oh, I agree with you 100%. For 99% of the people out there, it makes far more sense to have someone else handle all that for you. You just have to accept there may be downtime that beyond your control. I was merely answering lsb's question and pointing out that GMail's spam filtering isn't magic or unique. It's merely very good. A skilled mail server admin can replicate the same level of spam filtering. I'm not recommending that everyone run their own mail server.
modoc 18y ago
Mail.app on OS X has a very nice threaded view. It's not exactly the same, but it's still very nice:)
cubicle67 18y ago
This mentality always strikes me as odd; like firing an employee when they make a mistake. The key factor to consider should be "Have they learnt from this?". The outage has happened. It won't unhappen. The question now is, will Google fix the problems that caused this, or don't they care.
- gstar 18y ago
  The 3 mistakes in short succession show that they haven't learnt from this, and I should make provisions for myself. Somewhat similar to a staff member who has had 3 warnings is obviously not learning.
- herval 18y ago
  You'd be right - if it happened only once. Or twice. It's not really like firing someone, though - if your bank keeps screwing you up, woudln't you consider opening an account somewhere else...?
jaaron 18y ago
Web or desktop? For desktop, a new entrance is Postbox, which takes a lot of clues from GMail: http://www.postbox-inc.com http://www.postbox-inc.com Personally, I use gnus: http://www.gnus.org http://www.gnus.org

by gstar 18y ago

That's 3 strikes, and Gmail: you're out. I'm moving my domains off gmail as the primary MX. Is there a viable alternative to gmail for conversation view and search?

rksprst 18y ago

Not that I know of, though I've moved from google apps to hosted exchange with Sherweb and couldn't be happier. I love the fact that my calendar & address book sync wirelessly with my iPhone. Also, push email is great.

onk 18y ago

> Is there a viable alternative to gmail for conversation view and search? Mutt but you'll have to type "ot" to order by thread and "l~b<word>" to search (limit) by <word> in the body of your mail.

lsb 18y ago

Can your spam filters do better?

modoc 18y ago
Mine do as well, yes. I'm not knocking GMail's spam filters, but it's absolutely possible to run your own mail server virtually spam free. I've had the same primary e-mail address for 11 years, posted it all over the place, and I almost never see spam in my inbox.
- ROFISH 18y ago
  The problem is that you will still receive the mail. If you run even a semi-popular website, your domain is going to be hit by all kinds of bogus mail. Since I'm a programmer not a server administrator, the CPU and IO was constantly overloaded because of spam. Whenever I switched to Google Apps, the hard drive breathed a sign of relief. I'm sure if you take the time to properly administrate, you can run email on your own server. In my case it was too confusing, took too much effort, and I wanted to get back to doing real work.
  - modoc 18y ago
    Oh, I agree with you 100%. For 99% of the people out there, it makes far more sense to have someone else handle all that for you. You just have to accept there may be downtime that beyond your control. I was merely answering lsb's question and pointing out that GMail's spam filtering isn't magic or unique. It's merely very good. A skilled mail server admin can replicate the same level of spam filtering. I'm not recommending that everyone run their own mail server.

modoc 18y ago

Mail.app on OS X has a very nice threaded view. It's not exactly the same, but it's still very nice:)

cubicle67 18y ago

This mentality always strikes me as odd; like firing an employee when they make a mistake. The key factor to consider should be "Have they learnt from this?". The outage has happened. It won't unhappen. The question now is, will Google fix the problems that caused this, or don't they care.

gstar 18y ago
The 3 mistakes in short succession show that they haven't learnt from this, and I should make provisions for myself. Somewhat similar to a staff member who has had 3 warnings is obviously not learning.
herval 18y ago
You'd be right - if it happened only once. Or twice. It's not really like firing someone, though - if your bank keeps screwing you up, woudln't you consider opening an account somewhere else...?

jaaron 18y ago

Web or desktop? For desktop, a new entrance is Postbox, which takes a lot of clues from GMail: http://www.postbox-inc.com http://www.postbox-inc.com Personally, I use gnus: http://www.gnus.org http://www.gnus.org