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Ah yes, we should go ahead with a ban on public transportation due to a fucking anecdote. You and my former boss would get along quite well.

meh01 14y ago
Welcome to HN. Where we state opinions as fact and anecdotes as truth, usually with some hand wavey out in case we're called on BS. :)
ars 14y ago
I guess you are not as secure in your beliefs as you thought if you need to resort to swearing. You thought buses are modern and clean, and when you discover different you swear? Diesel is very polluting compared to gasoline and I hate it. And stop/start diesel is the worst. So despite its great reputation public buses are not the automatic win they are made out to be.
- saosebastiao 14y ago
  They aren't beliefs. And yes, I have a tendency to curse when people advocate for very stupid policies using ideas that can be refuted in less than 5 minutes on Google.
  - ars 14y ago
    I did do some google searches first. Buses help with traffic and CO2, they do not help with soot. And the city in this article is having trouble with soot. It would be wonderful if all buses were LNG, then there'd be little drawbacks. But right now they aren't, and because LNG is more expensive cities are buying diesel instead. PS. In general cursing means you acknowledge your position is incorrect but you wish to use bluster to defend it anyway. It makes little difference if you don't intend this meaning - this is the meaning that is transmitted.
    - saosebastiao 14y ago
      In general, being wrong makes you wrong. It makes you more wrong when you tell someone who is right that they are wrong. Soot per passenger hasn't been anywhere near car levels for over a decade. You have to go back past the 1990s to find buses that fare worse than cars on per passenger soot emissions. In 2007, diesel soot emissions were regulated to similar standards as gasoline vehicles. Stop being wrong if you want to be right.

meh01 14y ago

Welcome to HN. Where we state opinions as fact and anecdotes as truth, usually with some hand wavey out in case we're called on BS. :)

ars 14y ago

I guess you are not as secure in your beliefs as you thought if you need to resort to swearing. You thought buses are modern and clean, and when you discover different you swear? Diesel is very polluting compared to gasoline and I hate it. And stop/start diesel is the worst. So despite its great reputation public buses are not the automatic win they are made out to be.

saosebastiao 14y ago
They aren't beliefs. And yes, I have a tendency to curse when people advocate for very stupid policies using ideas that can be refuted in less than 5 minutes on Google.
- ars 14y ago
  I did do some google searches first. Buses help with traffic and CO2, they do not help with soot. And the city in this article is having trouble with soot. It would be wonderful if all buses were LNG, then there'd be little drawbacks. But right now they aren't, and because LNG is more expensive cities are buying diesel instead. PS. In general cursing means you acknowledge your position is incorrect but you wish to use bluster to defend it anyway. It makes little difference if you don't intend this meaning - this is the meaning that is transmitted.
  - saosebastiao 14y ago
    In general, being wrong makes you wrong. It makes you more wrong when you tell someone who is right that they are wrong. Soot per passenger hasn't been anywhere near car levels for over a decade. You have to go back past the 1990s to find buses that fare worse than cars on per passenger soot emissions. In 2007, diesel soot emissions were regulated to similar standards as gasoline vehicles. Stop being wrong if you want to be right.