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1. There are too many existing weapons floating around. Convincing owners to bring them all out for cryptomarking is a non-starter. 3. Wouldn't this technolog

by csense 14y ago

1. There are too many existing weapons floating around. Convincing owners to bring them all out for cryptomarking is a non-starter. 3. Wouldn't this technology already exist? I'm surprised, you seem to say it doesn't. 4. What would be the incentive for gun owners to use these facilities? If you have a gun because you like them, you want to use it, and having it in your house is much more convenient, especially if you live in a rural area and can hunt or target shoot without getting in the car. If you have a gun for protection, you want it to be by your side at all times. The facility would presumably cost money. Why go to the increased hassle? For people that are temporarily legally restricted from possessing firearms, it would be attractive to have a place to leave your weapons safely and legally. But such people are rare; far more common is a felony conviction or other consideration that bars people from possession for life. Digression: I'd be in favor of making firearm restrictions for felons lengthy but ultimately temporary. For example if you have a clean record for 10 years after serving your time, you get your voting and firearm privileges back, but a judge or parole board can deny the latter at their discretion if your crime involved illegal or grossly irresponsible use of firearms. My thinking is that there should be paths for redemption and rehabilitation for all but perhaps the most violent, most serial or most insane criminals, because while crime needs to be punished, if a criminal's life is ruined by the consequences of his/her first crime, he/she has no incentive to even try to become a productive member of society if it's impossible.

rdl 14y ago
1. A lot of the guns used in crime are fairly new, or newly transferred. It's also the case that theft isn't a major source of weapons used in crime (which I thought it was -- and theft-reporting-requirement could help) Just requiring the cryptomark on every lawful transfer would get a lot of things marked. 3. Surprisingly, no. It would be technically feasible to do. There are some high-end safes which are integrated into building alarms and such, but no single S&G type I drop-in type lock which didn't suck. I'd probably build one as a startup if I weren't doing what I'm doing. (there are lots of other ways to make locks awesome, too; lockitron does some of them now) 4. I'm probably an outlier due to both quantity owned and travel (being outside the US for most of a decade, etc.). I ended up just leaving a bunch of purchases with my FFL for long enough to piss him off by filling up his vault for a year, etc. I'm advocating lowering the bar for temporary restrictions (domestic violence, mental health, etc.). I'm also in favor of a simpler path to rehabilitation of even felons, but I'd consider voting and employment to be more important than gun ownership there; if a violent criminal who is convicted never gets a gun again, that's fine, but he should be allowed to vote.
- runjake 14y ago
  1. [citation needed]
  - rdl 14y ago
    I got it from a briefing by an LAPD guy teaching policing strategies to military in Iraq/Afghanistan (he was a reservist, but I think they did an official program later involving LAPD and possibly FBI and NYPD) -- i.e. how to shut down networks of supply for insurgents getting weapons. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/gu... is a decent source. There's another source I saw recently which talks about young or new guns being the majority of the problem, but I couldn't find it on google in 30 seconds. One problem with saying "1.2% of gun dealers are responsible for most of the guns used in crime" is that a lot of dealers are very low volume or very specialty (target, etc.) anyway, so mainstream sales may happen mostly at 1.2% of dealers, too. I.e. most of the knives used in killings are probably bought at Wal-Mart, not the Global store in Tokyo.
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- jevinskie 14y ago
  Is restoring one right but not another really equal protection under the law?
  - strlen 14y ago
    Yes, but discrimination of this sort is possible if it can pass the appropriate scrutiny test. It's just like how constitution says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed", yet it's clear that certain firearms can be banned and certain people may be prohibited from owning firearms: theoretically speaking no right or protection is absolute, but we have to be very cautious in the way we restrict these rights. Government needs to show that there's a compelling interest in denying someone the right to bear arms while permitting them the right to vote, that doing so furthers that compelling interest, and (if strict scrutiny is used) that it's the most narrow (tailored toward that interest only) and smallest restriction possible. E.g., it could be argued that a first time non-violent offender who has shown remorse, is successfully reintegrated back into society, etc... cannot be denied any of the rights after a certain amount of time -- but a violent offender may recoup other rights after say 10 years, but not lose the right to bear arms for a longer period. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny (strictest standard) vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_scrutiny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_scrutiny (more lax, the most lax standard that can be applied to enumerated fundamental rights) vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review (the least strict standard, typically used for unenumerated rights)

by csense 14y ago

rdl 14y ago

1. A lot of the guns used in crime are fairly new, or newly transferred. It's also the case that theft isn't a major source of weapons used in crime (which I thought it was -- and theft-reporting-requirement could help) Just requiring the cryptomark on every lawful transfer would get a lot of things marked. 3. Surprisingly, no. It would be technically feasible to do. There are some high-end safes which are integrated into building alarms and such, but no single S&G type I drop-in type lock which didn't suck. I'd probably build one as a startup if I weren't doing what I'm doing. (there are lots of other ways to make locks awesome, too; lockitron does some of them now) 4. I'm probably an outlier due to both quantity owned and travel (being outside the US for most of a decade, etc.). I ended up just leaving a bunch of purchases with my FFL for long enough to piss him off by filling up his vault for a year, etc. I'm advocating lowering the bar for temporary restrictions (domestic violence, mental health, etc.). I'm also in favor of a simpler path to rehabilitation of even felons, but I'd consider voting and employment to be more important than gun ownership there; if a violent criminal who is convicted never gets a gun again, that's fine, but he should be allowed to vote.

runjake 14y ago
1. [citation needed]
- rdl 14y ago
  I got it from a briefing by an LAPD guy teaching policing strategies to military in Iraq/Afghanistan (he was a reservist, but I think they did an official program later involving LAPD and possibly FBI and NYPD) -- i.e. how to shut down networks of supply for insurgents getting weapons. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/gu... is a decent source. There's another source I saw recently which talks about young or new guns being the majority of the problem, but I couldn't find it on google in 30 seconds. One problem with saying "1.2% of gun dealers are responsible for most of the guns used in crime" is that a lot of dealers are very low volume or very specialty (target, etc.) anyway, so mainstream sales may happen mostly at 1.2% of dealers, too. I.e. most of the knives used in killings are probably bought at Wal-Mart, not the Global store in Tokyo.
- deleted 14y ago
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jevinskie 14y ago
Is restoring one right but not another really equal protection under the law?
- strlen 14y ago
  Yes, but discrimination of this sort is possible if it can pass the appropriate scrutiny test. It's just like how constitution says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed", yet it's clear that certain firearms can be banned and certain people may be prohibited from owning firearms: theoretically speaking no right or protection is absolute, but we have to be very cautious in the way we restrict these rights. Government needs to show that there's a compelling interest in denying someone the right to bear arms while permitting them the right to vote, that doing so furthers that compelling interest, and (if strict scrutiny is used) that it's the most narrow (tailored toward that interest only) and smallest restriction possible. E.g., it could be argued that a first time non-violent offender who has shown remorse, is successfully reintegrated back into society, etc... cannot be denied any of the rights after a certain amount of time -- but a violent offender may recoup other rights after say 10 years, but not lose the right to bear arms for a longer period. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny (strictest standard) vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_scrutiny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_scrutiny (more lax, the most lax standard that can be applied to enumerated fundamental rights) vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review (the least strict standard, typically used for unenumerated rights)