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what are you referring to with "registration -> confiscation"?

philwelch 14y ago
If you register all the guns, or all the gun owners, then you have a list of people so you can go knock on their doors and take their guns away from them. Gangsters exempt, naturally--they didn't bother registering in the first place.
- dmix 14y ago
  People often aren't aware that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with protecting you from other citizens, instead it's about protecting the civilians from having an authoritarian government being the only one with guns. Combine that with the fact the DoD has a program to share excess weaponry with the police. So the domestic police force becomes militarized as the citizens are being stripped of weaponry. It's a plausible concern.
- jevinskie 14y ago
  I think the grandparent poster was looking for those specific CA and NY examples. Were SKS somehow confiscated in CA? How did CA get around the tricky "ex post facto" thing?
  - rdl 14y ago
    There isn't a clear case: The .50 and AW bans in California had a mandatory registration period. If you did not register during that 90 day window, you could never register them in the future, so they were illegal. There was a legal challenge during that process -- the AG said he'd extend it, someone anti-gun sued him, and the extension was invalidated; they then started sending letters to those who hadn't registered by the original deadline telling them to turn their (now illegal) weapons in. NYC has local law 78 and there was confiscation based in prior registration. http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/richmond_boro_v_nyc2.txt http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/richmond_boro_v_nyc... Essentially, NYC used long gun registration records from the early 1980s to confiscate newly-defined assault weapons after a 1991 AW ban. There was a window given for AW registration in 1991, I believe, to get around the legal challenge. Japanese-Americans had guns confiscated in Hawaii in 1942 (there were no mass internments in Hawaii, though) Outside the US, registration was used to facilitate confiscation in Ireland, Bermuda, Jamaica, and Greece. I think there wer also cases of registered handguns in Chicago where if the registration lapsed (there was an annual renewal requirement), the registration data was used for confiscation.

If you register all the guns, or all the gun owners, then you have a list of people so you can go knock on their doors and take their guns away from them. Gangsters exempt, naturally--they didn't bother registering in the first place.

dmix 14y ago
People often aren't aware that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with protecting you from other citizens, instead it's about protecting the civilians from having an authoritarian government being the only one with guns. Combine that with the fact the DoD has a program to share excess weaponry with the police. So the domestic police force becomes militarized as the citizens are being stripped of weaponry. It's a plausible concern.
jevinskie 14y ago
I think the grandparent poster was looking for those specific CA and NY examples. Were SKS somehow confiscated in CA? How did CA get around the tricky "ex post facto" thing?
- rdl 14y ago
  There isn't a clear case: The .50 and AW bans in California had a mandatory registration period. If you did not register during that 90 day window, you could never register them in the future, so they were illegal. There was a legal challenge during that process -- the AG said he'd extend it, someone anti-gun sued him, and the extension was invalidated; they then started sending letters to those who hadn't registered by the original deadline telling them to turn their (now illegal) weapons in. NYC has local law 78 and there was confiscation based in prior registration. http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/richmond_boro_v_nyc2.txt http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/richmond_boro_v_nyc... Essentially, NYC used long gun registration records from the early 1980s to confiscate newly-defined assault weapons after a 1991 AW ban. There was a window given for AW registration in 1991, I believe, to get around the legal challenge. Japanese-Americans had guns confiscated in Hawaii in 1942 (there were no mass internments in Hawaii, though) Outside the US, registration was used to facilitate confiscation in Ireland, Bermuda, Jamaica, and Greece. I think there wer also cases of registered handguns in Chicago where if the registration lapsed (there was an annual renewal requirement), the registration data was used for confiscation.