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the worst bit is that a lot of the ridicule seems motivated by the fact that it's fashionable to hate on node.js. this tweet as much as admitted it: https://twi

by zem 14y ago

the worst bit is that a lot of the ridicule seems motivated by the fact that it's fashionable to hate on node.js. this tweet as much as admitted it: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/293831920872194050 https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/293831920872194050

ddrmaxgt37 14y ago
the hatred of node.js always reminds me of anti-apple people.
- pekk 14y ago
  I have to say that node.js can be an entirely useful tool, and I can even support Heather's activity of making things she wants to use with it, without drinking kool-aid that node is better than everything and solves everything and should replace everything. And the same of Apple. It seems inaccurately simplistic to describe this as 'hate'.
tptacek 14y ago
The worst bit about it is that it's part of a petty language squabble?
- zem 14y ago
  no, that a petty language squabble was worth abusing someone over - it had very little to do with her actual code
wereHamster 14y ago
Isn't it (scientifically documented) that if (a software project) A is threatened by B then supporters of A start to bash on developers and users of B? Because that's what I see here. node.js is very much a competitor to rails, and Steve Klabnik is very close to rails.
- paulbjensen 14y ago
  Agreed. I wrote this blog post: http://paulbjensen.co.uk/posts/2012/07/11/thoughts-on-rails-node-and-the-web-apps-of-today http://paulbjensen.co.uk/posts/2012/07/11/thoughts-on-rails-... Then Tony Arcieri wrote this rebuttal: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gish-gallop.html http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gis... He made some good points in his post, but the snarkiness was in my opinion a bit uncalled for. Being labelled a Rails Enthusiast when I had worked with Rails for over 4 years (2007-2011), 2 of those at New Bamboo (a big Rails agency in the UK) was cheap. I then tried to deduce why he was so rude, so I looked through some of his older blog posts, and found this: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/03/why-critics-of-rails-have-it-all-wrong.html http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/03/why-critics-of-rails... but then this tweet summed it all up: http://twitter.com/bascule/status/274281490437767168 http://twitter.com/bascule/status/274281490437767168 The issue I see here is that there are some in the Ruby community who hate Node, but who then extend that hatred of Node to being rude to people involved with Node.js. Tony has been rude in the past to both Substack and Isaac Schlueter (major figures in the Node community) over Twitter. I can only reason that the rudeness towards Substack was because he made this comment on his blog post: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gish-gallop.html?showComment=1344730626043#c3236470474430472062 http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gis.... As for his replies with Isaac, see this: http://twitter.com/bascule/status/281932459719921664 http://twitter.com/bascule/status/281932459719921664 I'd like to say it stops there, but it doesn't. I actually had someone email me because Tony had been rude to them on Twitter because he compared npm to Rubygems. Can you believe that? Tony is a smart guy, he's written some really awesome software, but when it comes to Node, he is a troll. As for Steve, he hates Node, but I don't think that he intends to be rude to Node.js people. When I posted this on Twitter: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271691672348409856 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271691672348409856 followed by this: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271733415580164096 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271733415580164096 and this: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271734483538018304 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271734483538018304 Steve Klabnik followed up later on with this: http://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/271749289154330625 http://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/271749289154330625 Compare that to this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5018201 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5018201 Both Steve Klabnik and Tom Dale retweeted that HN comment. So where Steve might hate on Node, he doesn't hate on people who like Node.js, or have expressed a preference for it (otherwise he would probably have not linked to my post). I know I'm not the best person to say this, but I wish that this could be the end of animosity between the Ruby/Rails and Node.js communities.

by zem 14y ago

ddrmaxgt37 14y ago

the hatred of node.js always reminds me of anti-apple people.

pekk 14y ago
I have to say that node.js can be an entirely useful tool, and I can even support Heather's activity of making things she wants to use with it, without drinking kool-aid that node is better than everything and solves everything and should replace everything. And the same of Apple. It seems inaccurately simplistic to describe this as 'hate'.

tptacek 14y ago

The worst bit about it is that it's part of a petty language squabble?

zem 14y ago
no, that a petty language squabble was worth abusing someone over - it had very little to do with her actual code

wereHamster 14y ago

Isn't it (scientifically documented) that if (a software project) A is threatened by B then supporters of A start to bash on developers and users of B? Because that's what I see here. node.js is very much a competitor to rails, and Steve Klabnik is very close to rails.

paulbjensen 14y ago
Agreed. I wrote this blog post: http://paulbjensen.co.uk/posts/2012/07/11/thoughts-on-rails-node-and-the-web-apps-of-today http://paulbjensen.co.uk/posts/2012/07/11/thoughts-on-rails-... Then Tony Arcieri wrote this rebuttal: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gish-gallop.html http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gis... He made some good points in his post, but the snarkiness was in my opinion a bit uncalled for. Being labelled a Rails Enthusiast when I had worked with Rails for over 4 years (2007-2011), 2 of those at New Bamboo (a big Rails agency in the UK) was cheap. I then tried to deduce why he was so rude, so I looked through some of his older blog posts, and found this: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/03/why-critics-of-rails-have-it-all-wrong.html http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/03/why-critics-of-rails... but then this tweet summed it all up: http://twitter.com/bascule/status/274281490437767168 http://twitter.com/bascule/status/274281490437767168 The issue I see here is that there are some in the Ruby community who hate Node, but who then extend that hatred of Node to being rude to people involved with Node.js. Tony has been rude in the past to both Substack and Isaac Schlueter (major figures in the Node community) over Twitter. I can only reason that the rudeness towards Substack was because he made this comment on his blog post: http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gish-gallop.html?showComment=1344730626043#c3236470474430472062 http://www.unlimitednovelty.com/2012/08/debunking-nodejs-gis.... As for his replies with Isaac, see this: http://twitter.com/bascule/status/281932459719921664 http://twitter.com/bascule/status/281932459719921664 I'd like to say it stops there, but it doesn't. I actually had someone email me because Tony had been rude to them on Twitter because he compared npm to Rubygems. Can you believe that? Tony is a smart guy, he's written some really awesome software, but when it comes to Node, he is a troll. As for Steve, he hates Node, but I don't think that he intends to be rude to Node.js people. When I posted this on Twitter: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271691672348409856 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271691672348409856 followed by this: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271733415580164096 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271733415580164096 and this: http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271734483538018304 http://twitter.com/paulbjensen/status/271734483538018304 Steve Klabnik followed up later on with this: http://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/271749289154330625 http://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/271749289154330625 Compare that to this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5018201 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5018201 Both Steve Klabnik and Tom Dale retweeted that HN comment. So where Steve might hate on Node, he doesn't hate on people who like Node.js, or have expressed a preference for it (otherwise he would probably have not linked to my post). I know I'm not the best person to say this, but I wish that this could be the end of animosity between the Ruby/Rails and Node.js communities.