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I don't see how any of these things are "never admitted". I'm not quite sure what the first point is even trying to say beyond "some people don't like Ubuntu"

I don't see how any of these things are "never admitted". I'm not quite sure what the first point is even trying to say beyond "some people don't like Ubuntu" or "Ubuntu is going down the route of profit for Canonical" (both of which aren't somehow magically incompatible with the goals of free software or are somehow being suppressed by the free software movement). The rest are quite freely admitted and openly discussed by free software and open source people, even if some people don't necessarily agree. On the sexism front, that's widely discussed (and, well, dismissed too, sadly). Microsoft? Sure, the loud-and-proud anti-Mono crowd make their feelings heard. But I think most people pretty much know that Microsoft are changing their tune on open source, especially around developer facing stuff (F#, IronRuby, numerous other things like that have been open sourced; .NET developer conferences have had talks from people talking about things they like and use in competing free software projects like Postgres).

bad_user 14y ago
As long as Balmer is still there, as long as they continue to threaten other projects with patents, I couldn't care less about Microsoft or their products, no matter what bones they throw out for free. I'm not anti-Mono btw. I also like F# and .NET and I even think that Microsoft isn't even the worst company around. I also have a Windows license that I use back home. But I simply don't care. Also, IronRuby is abandonware.
- darklajid 14y ago
  Well, but if you happen to work in a Microsoft/Windows environment it helps a lot to see these open projects. Ignoring IronRuby: ASP.Net for example is a Big Thing (tm) that exists in a git repository (and for all I know it's developed in the open now, not in the typical 'code drop' style like Android etc.). Do I love Microsoft? Certainly not. But I do think they changed for the better, measuring with a certain set of values and biases here..
  - bad_user 14y ago
    On ASP.NET, you mean ASP.NET MVC, because the ASP.NET and its HTTP pipeline is not open-source. And this is my problem with their efforts. Even though I applaud them for it, these efforts are half-hearted and half-baked.

bad_user 14y ago

As long as Balmer is still there, as long as they continue to threaten other projects with patents, I couldn't care less about Microsoft or their products, no matter what bones they throw out for free. I'm not anti-Mono btw. I also like F# and .NET and I even think that Microsoft isn't even the worst company around. I also have a Windows license that I use back home. But I simply don't care. Also, IronRuby is abandonware.

darklajid 14y ago
Well, but if you happen to work in a Microsoft/Windows environment it helps a lot to see these open projects. Ignoring IronRuby: ASP.Net for example is a Big Thing (tm) that exists in a git repository (and for all I know it's developed in the open now, not in the typical 'code drop' style like Android etc.). Do I love Microsoft? Certainly not. But I do think they changed for the better, measuring with a certain set of values and biases here..
- bad_user 14y ago
  On ASP.NET, you mean ASP.NET MVC, because the ASP.NET and its HTTP pipeline is not open-source. And this is my problem with their efforts. Even though I applaud them for it, these efforts are half-hearted and half-baked.