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> I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. The capitalist system requires a rese

by jhuni 14y ago

> I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. The capitalist system requires a reserve army of labor so 100% employment cannot coexist with the capitalist mode of production. The only reason outlawing farming machines could allow for 100% unemployment is that it would replace the capitalist mode of production with the foraging mode of production. > True the people that put up the money and took the risk of engineering innovative ways of doing things better see the largest benefits. The people that receive the most benefits are the capitalists who control the means of production. Our most talented engineers are being exploited by the capitalists, so they aren't the ones receiving the benefits of production. Some capitalists might just so happen to be engineers but that is not the basis of their social relationship to the means of production. > The "working class" needs to realize that the nature of work is changing and the assembly line education we were all feed is not going to cut it in a fast pace economy we are living in today. With this statement you are taking the elitist position that us workers need to be told what we need to "realize" and that we deserve to suffer because what we are doing "is not going to cut it." Workers are in this precarious position entirely because the capitalist class has undeserved control over the means of production. The workers should take control of the means of production and use it to satisfy human needs rather then profit. With communal ownership of the means of production, automation technology will benefit the entire race rather then a minority of greedy capitalists.

runeks 14y ago
Dude, it's not a matter of "workers against capitalists". We are all both workers and capitalists. When we rent out our apartments because we're abroad for a semester we're capitalists. No one has a monopoly on the means of production. If you think you can do better then give it a try. No one is forcing you to work for them. Employers and workers are in a symbiotic relationship, whether they realize it or not.
AndrewKoszela 14y ago
It seems like you listen to a lot of the propaganda used to separate people into classes that keep them believing that they shouldn't even try. We're living in an age where anyone with an Idea and a little bit of savings can bring a project to fruition. Stop watching Americana Idol, learn from all the free resources online and lift yourself up from the bootstraps. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something about it! Stop listening to the self-defeating prophecy feed to you by people trying to separate society for political gain. It's easy to write yourself off, give up, and take the drone job. Solution: Open Source Everything - Pure Free Market Competition - Less Government Interference. Cheers
- jhuni 14y ago
  > It seems like you listen to a lot of the propaganda used to separate people into classes that keep them believing that they shouldn't even try. In the earliest human societies nobody was more entitled to the worlds natural resources then anybody else. According to Heckewelder in Iroquios society "whatever liveth on the land, whatever groweth out of the earth, and all that is in the rivers and waters, was given jointly to all". Classes emerged when one group of people decided that they were more entitled to the Earth's natural resources then everyone else. These people made these natural resources into their private property and in order to get wealth out of those natural resources they made human workers into their private property as well. These owners became the ruling class and their subjects became the slave class. Slavery existed in human society for several millennia until it was partially replaced by feudalism. In feudal societies, there was still a ruling class that controlled the natural resources and violently suppressed anyone who opposed them, except that their serfs had a little bit more autonomy and they were tied to the land rather then their masters. The industrial revolution changed everything. In industrial societies people were able to work in other sectors of the economy besides the primary sector, which allowed some people to live free of the tyranny of the landlords. However, new forms of private property emerged corresponding to the new sectors of the economy. In the manufacturing sector, there was private property in the means of production and the instruments of labor, and in the knowledge sector there was intellectual private property. The private ownership of our natural resources also still exists. As an example, Gina Rinehart, the world's richest woman, is a mining tycoon who inherited her control of Australia's natural mining resources. Classes have existed throughout written history and with people like Gina Rinehart they apply today as much as ever before. > Open Source Everything You want to eliminate the form of private property that exists in your sector of the economy: intellectual property. This is good, but what are you going to do for people working in the primary and secondary sectors of the economy? Do you want farmers to continue to subjected to the tyranny of the landlords and do you want for manufacturing workers to continue to be completely alienated from their workplace? > Stop watching Americana Idol, learn from all the free resources online and lift yourself up from the bootstraps. What is with this ad hominem attack? I don't even know what "Americana Idol" is. I spend most of my time studying mathematics and writing computer programs.

by jhuni 14y ago

runeks 14y ago

Dude, it's not a matter of "workers against capitalists". We are all both workers and capitalists. When we rent out our apartments because we're abroad for a semester we're capitalists. No one has a monopoly on the means of production. If you think you can do better then give it a try. No one is forcing you to work for them. Employers and workers are in a symbiotic relationship, whether they realize it or not.

AndrewKoszela 14y ago

It seems like you listen to a lot of the propaganda used to separate people into classes that keep them believing that they shouldn't even try. We're living in an age where anyone with an Idea and a little bit of savings can bring a project to fruition. Stop watching Americana Idol, learn from all the free resources online and lift yourself up from the bootstraps. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something about it! Stop listening to the self-defeating prophecy feed to you by people trying to separate society for political gain. It's easy to write yourself off, give up, and take the drone job. Solution: Open Source Everything - Pure Free Market Competition - Less Government Interference. Cheers

jhuni 14y ago
> It seems like you listen to a lot of the propaganda used to separate people into classes that keep them believing that they shouldn't even try. In the earliest human societies nobody was more entitled to the worlds natural resources then anybody else. According to Heckewelder in Iroquios society "whatever liveth on the land, whatever groweth out of the earth, and all that is in the rivers and waters, was given jointly to all". Classes emerged when one group of people decided that they were more entitled to the Earth's natural resources then everyone else. These people made these natural resources into their private property and in order to get wealth out of those natural resources they made human workers into their private property as well. These owners became the ruling class and their subjects became the slave class. Slavery existed in human society for several millennia until it was partially replaced by feudalism. In feudal societies, there was still a ruling class that controlled the natural resources and violently suppressed anyone who opposed them, except that their serfs had a little bit more autonomy and they were tied to the land rather then their masters. The industrial revolution changed everything. In industrial societies people were able to work in other sectors of the economy besides the primary sector, which allowed some people to live free of the tyranny of the landlords. However, new forms of private property emerged corresponding to the new sectors of the economy. In the manufacturing sector, there was private property in the means of production and the instruments of labor, and in the knowledge sector there was intellectual private property. The private ownership of our natural resources also still exists. As an example, Gina Rinehart, the world's richest woman, is a mining tycoon who inherited her control of Australia's natural mining resources. Classes have existed throughout written history and with people like Gina Rinehart they apply today as much as ever before. > Open Source Everything You want to eliminate the form of private property that exists in your sector of the economy: intellectual property. This is good, but what are you going to do for people working in the primary and secondary sectors of the economy? Do you want farmers to continue to subjected to the tyranny of the landlords and do you want for manufacturing workers to continue to be completely alienated from their workplace? > Stop watching Americana Idol, learn from all the free resources online and lift yourself up from the bootstraps. What is with this ad hominem attack? I don't even know what "Americana Idol" is. I spend most of my time studying mathematics and writing computer programs.