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I almost feel bad for all the people without education. Robots are killing their jobs, one niche at a time.

by rorrr 14y ago

mhaymo 14y ago
Why almost?
dlitz 14y ago
I wonder if we could build machines to educate these people, too.
plansurf 14y ago
There are also highly educated people that are losing jobs because what they do is so repetitive and can be done more efficiently with a robot or program.
- rorrr 14y ago
  It's happening to stock traders I've heard. I don't have much sympathy for them. I can't think of any other major educated group that's losing jobs because of technology.
AndrewKoszela 14y ago
I can't wait till robot can do every job so that we can all just kick back and let the robots serve us beers on the beach. Your framing it all wrong by saying "robots are killing their jobs" in reality their jobs are still getting done, just more efficiently. This lowers the cost of the product and frees up individual to do more rewarding jobs.
- jhuni 14y ago
  It should free up individuals to do more rewarding jobs, but unfortunately we still live in a capitalist society. The only individuals that benefit from increased automation are the capitalists that own the robots, not the members of the working class that are losing their jobs.
  - AndrewKoszela 14y ago
    Good point looking at it from the perspective of the working class automation is scary in the short term, just like the invention of automated farming equipment was scary in 1870, 70-80 percent of the US population was employed in agriculture Now approximately 2-3 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture, is flipping burgers really that different? I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. Everyone is hurt by higher cost food and the opportunity cost of all the work that is more complex True the people that put up the money and took the risk of engineering innovative ways of doing things better see the largest benefits, but the person that gets the innovation wrong many times goes broke. The "working class" needs to realize that the nature of work is changing and the assembly line education we were all feed is not going to cut it in a fast pace economy we are living in today.
    - jhuni 14y ago
      > I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. The capitalist system requires a reserve army of labor so 100% employment cannot coexist with the capitalist mode of production. The only reason outlawing farming machines could allow for 100% unemployment is that it would replace the capitalist mode of production with the foraging mode of production. > True the people that put up the money and took the risk of engineering innovative ways of doing things better see the largest benefits. The people that receive the most benefits are the capitalists who control the means of production. Our most talented engineers are being exploited by the capitalists, so they aren't the ones receiving the benefits of production. Some capitalists might just so happen to be engineers but that is not the basis of their social relationship to the means of production. > The "working class" needs to realize that the nature of work is changing and the assembly line education we were all feed is not going to cut it in a fast pace economy we are living in today. With this statement you are taking the elitist position that us workers need to be told what we need to "realize" and that we deserve to suffer because what we are doing "is not going to cut it." Workers are in this precarious position entirely because the capitalist class has undeserved control over the means of production. The workers should take control of the means of production and use it to satisfy human needs rather then profit. With communal ownership of the means of production, automation technology will benefit the entire race rather then a minority of greedy capitalists.
- rorrr 14y ago
  Except we don't (yet) live in socialism powered by robots. These poor unskilled ex-workers can't have their beers on the beach. Long-term, it will come to that. Humans will actually do creative, inventive jobs, while robots do all the dirty work. That's until AIs take our creative, inventive jobs. Then we're just going to be their pets.
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forgotAgain 14y ago
I'm trying to come up with a one off of the expression "A rising tide raises all boats". As automation increases, the expected education level for entry into lucrative fields will increase equally. We will all be affected by this.

I almost feel bad for all the people without education. Robots are killing their jobs, one niche at a time.

by rorrr 14y ago

I almost feel bad for all the people without education. Robots are killing their jobs, one niche at a time.

mhaymo 14y ago

Why almost?

dlitz 14y ago

I wonder if we could build machines to educate these people, too.

plansurf 14y ago

There are also highly educated people that are losing jobs because what they do is so repetitive and can be done more efficiently with a robot or program.

rorrr 14y ago
It's happening to stock traders I've heard. I don't have much sympathy for them. I can't think of any other major educated group that's losing jobs because of technology.

AndrewKoszela 14y ago

I can't wait till robot can do every job so that we can all just kick back and let the robots serve us beers on the beach. Your framing it all wrong by saying "robots are killing their jobs" in reality their jobs are still getting done, just more efficiently. This lowers the cost of the product and frees up individual to do more rewarding jobs.

jhuni 14y ago
It should free up individuals to do more rewarding jobs, but unfortunately we still live in a capitalist society. The only individuals that benefit from increased automation are the capitalists that own the robots, not the members of the working class that are losing their jobs.
- AndrewKoszela 14y ago
  Good point looking at it from the perspective of the working class automation is scary in the short term, just like the invention of automated farming equipment was scary in 1870, 70-80 percent of the US population was employed in agriculture Now approximately 2-3 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture, is flipping burgers really that different? I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. Everyone is hurt by higher cost food and the opportunity cost of all the work that is more complex True the people that put up the money and took the risk of engineering innovative ways of doing things better see the largest benefits, but the person that gets the innovation wrong many times goes broke. The "working class" needs to realize that the nature of work is changing and the assembly line education we were all feed is not going to cut it in a fast pace economy we are living in today.
  - jhuni 14y ago
    > I know the perfect way to gain 100% employment outlaw all farming machines, but you can see the flaws in that solution. The capitalist system requires a reserve army of labor so 100% employment cannot coexist with the capitalist mode of production. The only reason outlawing farming machines could allow for 100% unemployment is that it would replace the capitalist mode of production with the foraging mode of production. > True the people that put up the money and took the risk of engineering innovative ways of doing things better see the largest benefits. The people that receive the most benefits are the capitalists who control the means of production. Our most talented engineers are being exploited by the capitalists, so they aren't the ones receiving the benefits of production. Some capitalists might just so happen to be engineers but that is not the basis of their social relationship to the means of production. > The "working class" needs to realize that the nature of work is changing and the assembly line education we were all feed is not going to cut it in a fast pace economy we are living in today. With this statement you are taking the elitist position that us workers need to be told what we need to "realize" and that we deserve to suffer because what we are doing "is not going to cut it." Workers are in this precarious position entirely because the capitalist class has undeserved control over the means of production. The workers should take control of the means of production and use it to satisfy human needs rather then profit. With communal ownership of the means of production, automation technology will benefit the entire race rather then a minority of greedy capitalists.
rorrr 14y ago
Except we don't (yet) live in socialism powered by robots. These poor unskilled ex-workers can't have their beers on the beach. Long-term, it will come to that. Humans will actually do creative, inventive jobs, while robots do all the dirty work. That's until AIs take our creative, inventive jobs. Then we're just going to be their pets.
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forgotAgain 14y ago

I'm trying to come up with a one off of the expression "A rising tide raises all boats". As automation increases, the expected education level for entry into lucrative fields will increase equally. We will all be affected by this.