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How does he use Emacs without Ctrl, or Alt? edit: For that matter, how did he type "ps -ef | grep -i os12" with no "|" key?

by pyrhho 14y ago

jlgreco 14y ago
Maybe his keyboard is modal, but we never see it change. ;)
fafner 14y ago
https://github.com/greboide/emacs-gestures https://github.com/greboide/emacs-gestures
Ogre 14y ago
Alt (assuming you actually mean Meta ;) is completely unnecessary for emacs. Meta-<Key> can always be produced by pressing ESC <Key> I guess technically ctrl is also unnecessary since you could type out whole commands with M-x (ESC x command). It wouldn't be fun, but you could do it.
- cmckay 14y ago
  Although most keyboards nowadays use Alt for Meta, they were distinct keys on some older keyboards. I personally never used an MIT Lisp machine, but I have used Sun keyboards with a Meta key. It's also fun to note that EMACS is an acronym for Escape Meta Alt Control Shift, which generally describes the experience of using it.
  - Ogre 14y ago
    As joke acronyms go, I preferred "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping" back when Eight Megs was a lot of memory. "Eighty Megs" worked for a while after that. These days you'd have to rename it EGACS to use that joke.
  - dstorrs 14y ago
    Actually, it stood for "Editing MACroS" [1]. There are other expansions though -- see [2] below. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-faq.html#Origin-of-the-term-Emacs http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-faq.html#Origin-of-t... [2] http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html
- deltasquared 14y ago
  Also there is the totally useless capslock key, it could be mapped to meta just fine ^_^ See point 1 on Steve Yeggies's list of things to consider with emacs. https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/effective-emacs https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/effective-emacs
esrauch 14y ago
He could have remapped the keys arbitrarily, and he also could have used unicode input methods to type | with more than one keystroke.
jcl 14y ago
http://emacswiki.org/emacs/FootSwitches http://emacswiki.org/emacs/FootSwitches :)
martinced 14y ago
For what it is worth I use an "otaku" Happy Hacking KeyBoard Pro 2 (HHKB Pro 2) with "blank" black keys and I remapped | to HYPER+[ (and I'm of course using right alt as a "new" modifier, HYPER). tl;dr: you can't never be sure how Emacs hacker have configured their keys/modifiers ; )

How does he use Emacs without Ctrl, or Alt? edit: For that matter, how did he type "ps -ef | grep -i os12" with no "|" key?

by pyrhho 14y ago

How does he use Emacs without Ctrl, or Alt? edit: For that matter, how did he type "ps -ef | grep -i os12" with no "|" key?

jlgreco 14y ago

Maybe his keyboard is modal, but we never see it change. ;)

fafner 14y ago

https://github.com/greboide/emacs-gestures https://github.com/greboide/emacs-gestures

Ogre 14y ago

Alt (assuming you actually mean Meta ;) is completely unnecessary for emacs. Meta-<Key> can always be produced by pressing ESC <Key> I guess technically ctrl is also unnecessary since you could type out whole commands with M-x (ESC x command). It wouldn't be fun, but you could do it.

cmckay 14y ago
Although most keyboards nowadays use Alt for Meta, they were distinct keys on some older keyboards. I personally never used an MIT Lisp machine, but I have used Sun keyboards with a Meta key. It's also fun to note that EMACS is an acronym for Escape Meta Alt Control Shift, which generally describes the experience of using it.
- Ogre 14y ago
  As joke acronyms go, I preferred "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping" back when Eight Megs was a lot of memory. "Eighty Megs" worked for a while after that. These days you'd have to rename it EGACS to use that joke.
- dstorrs 14y ago
  Actually, it stood for "Editing MACroS" [1]. There are other expansions though -- see [2] below. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-faq.html#Origin-of-the-term-Emacs http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-faq.html#Origin-of-t... [2] http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html
deltasquared 14y ago
Also there is the totally useless capslock key, it could be mapped to meta just fine ^_^ See point 1 on Steve Yeggies's list of things to consider with emacs. https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/effective-emacs https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/effective-emacs

esrauch 14y ago

He could have remapped the keys arbitrarily, and he also could have used unicode input methods to type | with more than one keystroke.

jcl 14y ago

http://emacswiki.org/emacs/FootSwitches http://emacswiki.org/emacs/FootSwitches :)

martinced 14y ago

For what it is worth I use an "otaku" Happy Hacking KeyBoard Pro 2 (HHKB Pro 2) with "blank" black keys and I remapped | to HYPER+[ (and I'm of course using right alt as a "new" modifier, HYPER). tl;dr: you can't never be sure how Emacs hacker have configured their keys/modifiers ; )