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Dylan Programming Guide (1996) now in PDF, ePub, updated HTML

70 points by BruceM 14y ago

kabdib 14y ago
"It's called Dylan because it's so cool that nobody understands it." -- a manager in the Newton Group [Kind of tounge-in-cheek; I didn't see that it was particularly difficult to grok] The Newton was going to be programmed in Dylan from the metal on up. The week that it was decided to write it all in C++, there were a lot of glum ex-Dylan programmers wandering the halls, clutching copies of the C++ ARM.
- BruceM 14y ago
  One of them (from the Bauhaus) group is working with us now on some changes to look at adding alternate syntax support to bring back s-expression syntax. :) Although he didn't move over to C++ Newton, he went on to SK8 and other things...
pohl 14y ago
Functions as first-class values, lexically-scoped closures, map, curry...objects, methods, classes & class inheritance...immutable objects that can have their pointers optimized-away by the compiler. This sounds ahead of its day for a language intended for industry.
- BruceM 14y ago
  And multimethods ... but no protocols/interfaces sadly. But it is enjoyable to write. :) There's a reason that I wanted to let it live again so much that I pour days of my time into it.
  - yarrel 14y ago
    There's the forward-iteration protocol... ;-)
- st3fan 14y ago
  It was way ahead of its day. I remember when we got the first development environment for the Newton. The whole thing was written in Common Lisp and ran on a Mac Quadra.
- shaunxcode 14y ago
  Pretty sure if they were to add a whitespace sensitive syntax ala python/coffeescript and get it compiling to js they'd be riding to victory. From what I can tell there is actually a project https://github.com/turbolent/ralph https://github.com/turbolent/ralph to bring dylan to the web.
mbrock 14y ago
Maybe I had a pretty weird upbringing, but the design of Dylan is one of a rather small set of things that gives me a particular kind of wholesome, full-body happiness, and a feeling of real warmth, and like somebody out there truly understands me. I think it's something like what they call "love." But no -- it's like my mind is getting hard.
- BruceM 14y ago
  Drop by #dylan on Freenode IRC!
st3fan 14y ago
Here is the original Dylan documentation from 1992 .. It has the s-expression syntax: http://moo.mx/stuff/dylan/contents.html http://moo.mx/stuff/dylan/contents.html
- mahmud 14y ago
  Later version of Dylan are a much better language, Algol-syntax not withstanding. Better still, is GOO: a very elegant little language that would make for a perfect Dylan or Common Lisp core.
  - BruceM 14y ago
    Now that we have someone looking at adding an s-expression syntax as an alternative to OpenDylan, it has been interesting reading through my copy of the original Apple Dylan book from 1992 (originally owned by P Tucker Withington given the signature inside the cover). A lot did change for the better between 1992 and 1996. I think sealing is a big example of that. I think the 'block' construct is a bit nicer than the prefix-Dylan equivalent as well. It is also interesting to see how some elements of the current Dylan syntax make more sense when you see the roots of it all in the prefix-Dylan syntax.
Wyatt9200 14y ago
Here is a free ebook conversion tool for you. You can easily convert your ebook from epub to pdf. Free Online Ebook Converter http://www.ebookconverter.net/ http://www.ebookconverter.net/ It provides you with the best PDF to ePub converting experience.
- BruceM 14y ago
  Recognizing that you're probably just shilling for your own product ... We use http://sphinx-doc.org/ http://sphinx-doc.org/ and author in ReStructuredText with some extensions. From that, we output HTML, PDF and ePub. There are some issues with the ePub (they display fine, but don't validate), so it looks like sometime soon, I'll be hacking on Sphinx to fix some of the bugs in the epub generation. I couldn't really be happier with this system.

70 points by BruceM 14y ago

"It's called Dylan because it's so cool that nobody understands it." -- a manager in the Newton Group [Kind of tounge-in-cheek; I didn't see that it was particularly difficult to grok] The Newton was going to be programmed in Dylan from the metal on up. The week that it was decided to write it all in C++, there were a lot of glum ex-Dylan programmers wandering the halls, clutching copies of the C++ ARM.

BruceM 14y ago
One of them (from the Bauhaus) group is working with us now on some changes to look at adding alternate syntax support to bring back s-expression syntax. :) Although he didn't move over to C++ Newton, he went on to SK8 and other things...

pohl 14y ago

Functions as first-class values, lexically-scoped closures, map, curry...objects, methods, classes & class inheritance...immutable objects that can have their pointers optimized-away by the compiler. This sounds ahead of its day for a language intended for industry.

BruceM 14y ago
And multimethods ... but no protocols/interfaces sadly. But it is enjoyable to write. :) There's a reason that I wanted to let it live again so much that I pour days of my time into it.
- yarrel 14y ago
  There's the forward-iteration protocol... ;-)
st3fan 14y ago
It was way ahead of its day. I remember when we got the first development environment for the Newton. The whole thing was written in Common Lisp and ran on a Mac Quadra.
shaunxcode 14y ago
Pretty sure if they were to add a whitespace sensitive syntax ala python/coffeescript and get it compiling to js they'd be riding to victory. From what I can tell there is actually a project https://github.com/turbolent/ralph https://github.com/turbolent/ralph to bring dylan to the web.

mbrock 14y ago

Maybe I had a pretty weird upbringing, but the design of Dylan is one of a rather small set of things that gives me a particular kind of wholesome, full-body happiness, and a feeling of real warmth, and like somebody out there truly understands me. I think it's something like what they call "love." But no -- it's like my mind is getting hard.

BruceM 14y ago
Drop by #dylan on Freenode IRC!

st3fan 14y ago

Here is the original Dylan documentation from 1992 .. It has the s-expression syntax: http://moo.mx/stuff/dylan/contents.html http://moo.mx/stuff/dylan/contents.html

mahmud 14y ago
Later version of Dylan are a much better language, Algol-syntax not withstanding. Better still, is GOO: a very elegant little language that would make for a perfect Dylan or Common Lisp core.
- BruceM 14y ago
  Now that we have someone looking at adding an s-expression syntax as an alternative to OpenDylan, it has been interesting reading through my copy of the original Apple Dylan book from 1992 (originally owned by P Tucker Withington given the signature inside the cover). A lot did change for the better between 1992 and 1996. I think sealing is a big example of that. I think the 'block' construct is a bit nicer than the prefix-Dylan equivalent as well. It is also interesting to see how some elements of the current Dylan syntax make more sense when you see the roots of it all in the prefix-Dylan syntax.

Wyatt9200 14y ago

Here is a free ebook conversion tool for you. You can easily convert your ebook from epub to pdf. Free Online Ebook Converter http://www.ebookconverter.net/ http://www.ebookconverter.net/ It provides you with the best PDF to ePub converting experience.

BruceM 14y ago
Recognizing that you're probably just shilling for your own product ... We use http://sphinx-doc.org/ http://sphinx-doc.org/ and author in ReStructuredText with some extensions. From that, we output HTML, PDF and ePub. There are some issues with the ePub (they display fine, but don't validate), so it looks like sometime soon, I'll be hacking on Sphinx to fix some of the bugs in the epub generation. I couldn't really be happier with this system.