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What's upsetting is the 14/15 professors who voted him to be expelled. Do computer science professors not understand the concept of white-hat hacking? Shame on

What's upsetting is the 14/15 professors who voted him to be expelled. Do computer science professors not understand the concept of white-hat hacking? Shame on them. What message does this send to other students at Dawson? Don't be curious; don't go out of your way to do a favour for the safety of your peers; keep your mouth shut and we'll hand you your degree. Someone give him a scholarship to a legit university!

droithomme 14y ago
> Do computer science professors not understand the concept of white-hat hacking? Unfortunately, if they were at all competent they wouldn't be teaching at a place like that. CS programs at minor universities are notoriously poor and staffed by whoever they could get, and it's not going to be anyone that can make decent pay working on current technology.
- herethis 14y ago
  Dawson isn't a university. Its a CEGEP. In Quebec high school only goes until grade 11, after which most students do 2 years at a CEGEP before going on to university. It replaces Grade 12 and first year of university. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP
- doktrin 14y ago
  Perhaps CS is an exception, but I was under the impression that jobs in academia (in general) were in woefully short supply. While I'm sure they wouldn't get the cream of the crop, there's reportedly an excess of under-employed & under-paid PhD's and post-docs in a number of STEM fields (again, specifically in academia).
  - barry-cotter 14y ago
    CEGEPs are kind of a combination community college/last year of high school/first year of university. They are teaching institutions, not research ones. US community colleges can demand Master's degrees but not Ph.D.s to teach. Mostly people with Ph.D.s who can't get real academic jobs exit that market, not go CC. Anyone who is actually teach a CS course at a CC or a CEGEP and who is doing it as a full time job is doing it for non-pecuniary reasons, inclusive of being incompetent but having attained a qualification sufficient to teach.
  - ramchip 14y ago
    CEGEP teachers don't do any research and aren't really considered academics. The hiring requirement for Dawson is a Master's in CS + 2 years experience, and that requirement can be waived down to a college diploma (DEC, that's less than a bachelor's) if one has enough industry experience to justify it.
rivd 14y ago
They were professionally embarrassed. Hence the agressive stance towards him.

droithomme 14y ago

> Do computer science professors not understand the concept of white-hat hacking? Unfortunately, if they were at all competent they wouldn't be teaching at a place like that. CS programs at minor universities are notoriously poor and staffed by whoever they could get, and it's not going to be anyone that can make decent pay working on current technology.

herethis 14y ago
Dawson isn't a university. Its a CEGEP. In Quebec high school only goes until grade 11, after which most students do 2 years at a CEGEP before going on to university. It replaces Grade 12 and first year of university. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP
doktrin 14y ago
Perhaps CS is an exception, but I was under the impression that jobs in academia (in general) were in woefully short supply. While I'm sure they wouldn't get the cream of the crop, there's reportedly an excess of under-employed & under-paid PhD's and post-docs in a number of STEM fields (again, specifically in academia).
- barry-cotter 14y ago
  CEGEPs are kind of a combination community college/last year of high school/first year of university. They are teaching institutions, not research ones. US community colleges can demand Master's degrees but not Ph.D.s to teach. Mostly people with Ph.D.s who can't get real academic jobs exit that market, not go CC. Anyone who is actually teach a CS course at a CC or a CEGEP and who is doing it as a full time job is doing it for non-pecuniary reasons, inclusive of being incompetent but having attained a qualification sufficient to teach.
- ramchip 14y ago
  CEGEP teachers don't do any research and aren't really considered academics. The hiring requirement for Dawson is a Master's in CS + 2 years experience, and that requirement can be waived down to a college diploma (DEC, that's less than a bachelor's) if one has enough industry experience to justify it.

rivd 14y ago

They were professionally embarrassed. Hence the agressive stance towards him.