> Do you really want to get into body counts? Yes, I do. Should we start with the first revolutionary socialist, Babeuf, who was executed by the guillotine or

> Do you really want to get into body counts? Yes, I do. Should we start with the first revolutionary socialist, Babeuf, who was executed by the guillotine or should we go all the way back to the primitive communist tribes that existed before states and classes that were massacred and enslaved by invading armies?