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If someone asks you to wipe data that is not yours, you need to do it otherwise no one will trust you. This guy is oblivious: "Carmack had me promise more tha

If someone asks you to wipe data that is not yours, you need to do it otherwise no one will trust you. This guy is oblivious: "Carmack had me promise more than a decade ago that I'd wipe the drives if I ever passed them along, and I'd hate to lose any priceless data that's on them." Second, Junk is junk, throw it away or recycle.

arrrg 14y ago
What are you going on about? Could you elaborate? You make no sense.
- codeonfire 14y ago
  I think I made it pretty clear. One person gave another person some hardware and asked him to wipe the data off of it, which he doesn't plan to do. The hardware is over a decade old and should be recycled. What part are you confused about?
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Did you even read any of the other responses that were given to you?
  - Gigablah 14y ago
    That's some seriously deceptive rephrasing of his original account. > asked him to wipe the data off of it If he passed it along. That means he's been given permission to keep the data.
packetslave 14y ago
Presumably, if Carmack didn't want him to have the data, he would have deleted it before giving/selling him the gear 10+ years ago. What he's asking here is: "I have these old NeXT boxes I want to get rid of. I promised I wouldn't give the data to anyone else, so I want to copy it somewhere safe before wiping the disks" Don MacAskill is anything but oblivious.
untog 14y ago
...no. What Carmack said is "I don't want this data going any further than you". So he's archiving the data himself before passing the machines on. No trust violated. Junk is junk, throw it away or recycle. Surely he IS recycling it?
- btilly 14y ago
  Furthermore while he's asking about sharing it with the world, he's making it clear that whether or not he does so is up to Carmack.
  - orionblastar 14y ago
    But he wants to keep his own private copy of the data. Then recycle the Next Cubes. For archival purposes.
- codeonfire 14y ago
  Here's the problem with your logic. What possible purpose would "archiving" it have other than eventual distribution to others? If the guy lives up to his promise no one will ever see or use it, ever, so there is none.
  - onethumb 14y ago
    My motivations are three-fold: A) I want to peek inside myself without having to boot them up. NeXTStep isn't really the most efficient way for me to poke around. B) I don't know if John might change his mind or not, but I want to be prepared in case he does. I'm a history buff, and I believe this stuff is useful. C) I don't know for how much longer these machines & disks might stay working. Agreed that if John says "never", then once I die, the data needs to die as well. But hopefully I still have some years left on me. :)
brudgers 14y ago
Reuse is better than recycling.
gyom 14y ago
One could argue that Carmack's request was relevant more than a decade ago, and maybe it would be fine with Carmack if the person who inherited the drives released the data in 20 or 50 years (for historical purposes).

arrrg 14y ago

What are you going on about? Could you elaborate? You make no sense.

codeonfire 14y ago
I think I made it pretty clear. One person gave another person some hardware and asked him to wipe the data off of it, which he doesn't plan to do. The hardware is over a decade old and should be recycled. What part are you confused about?
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Did you even read any of the other responses that were given to you?
- Gigablah 14y ago
  That's some seriously deceptive rephrasing of his original account. > asked him to wipe the data off of it If he passed it along. That means he's been given permission to keep the data.

packetslave 14y ago

Presumably, if Carmack didn't want him to have the data, he would have deleted it before giving/selling him the gear 10+ years ago. What he's asking here is: "I have these old NeXT boxes I want to get rid of. I promised I wouldn't give the data to anyone else, so I want to copy it somewhere safe before wiping the disks" Don MacAskill is anything but oblivious.

untog 14y ago

...no. What Carmack said is "I don't want this data going any further than you". So he's archiving the data himself before passing the machines on. No trust violated. Junk is junk, throw it away or recycle. Surely he IS recycling it?

btilly 14y ago
Furthermore while he's asking about sharing it with the world, he's making it clear that whether or not he does so is up to Carmack.
- orionblastar 14y ago
  But he wants to keep his own private copy of the data. Then recycle the Next Cubes. For archival purposes.
codeonfire 14y ago
Here's the problem with your logic. What possible purpose would "archiving" it have other than eventual distribution to others? If the guy lives up to his promise no one will ever see or use it, ever, so there is none.
- onethumb 14y ago
  My motivations are three-fold: A) I want to peek inside myself without having to boot them up. NeXTStep isn't really the most efficient way for me to poke around. B) I don't know if John might change his mind or not, but I want to be prepared in case he does. I'm a history buff, and I believe this stuff is useful. C) I don't know for how much longer these machines & disks might stay working. Agreed that if John says "never", then once I die, the data needs to die as well. But hopefully I still have some years left on me. :)

brudgers 14y ago

Reuse is better than recycling.

gyom 14y ago

One could argue that Carmack's request was relevant more than a decade ago, and maybe it would be fine with Carmack if the person who inherited the drives released the data in 20 or 50 years (for historical purposes).